Webco Industries, Inc.

National Labor Relations Board - Board Decisions

Nov 30, 1998

327 N.L.R.B. 172 (N.L.R.B. 1998)

DECISIONS OF THE NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD 172
Webco Industries, Inc. and United Steelworkers of
America, AFL–CIO, CLC. Cases 17–CA–19047
and 17–CA–19120
November 30, 1998
DECISION AND ORDER
BY MEMBERS FOX , LIEBMAN, AND HURTGEN
On May 4, 1998, Administrative Law Judge Clifford
H. Anderson issued the attached decision. The Acting
General Counsel filed limited exceptions, a supporting
brief, and a brief in support of the judge’s decision. The
Respondent filed exceptions, a supporting brief, and an
answering brief.
The National Labor Relations Board has delegated its
authority in this proceeding to a three-member panel.
The Board has considered the decision and the record
in light of the exceptions and briefs1 and has decided to
affirm the judge’s rulings, findings,2 and conclusions
only to the extent consistent with this Decision and Or-
der.3
The United Steelworkers Union conducted an organiz-
ing campaign among the Respondent’s employees during
February and March 1997. The judge found that, during
the course of the campaign, the Respondent violated Sec-
tion 8(a)(1) of the Act by disparaging the Union, threat-
ening employees that they would lose benefits and that
negotiations would start from “ground zero” if the Union
became the employees’ collective-bargaining agent, tell-
ing employees who supported the Union that they should
quit, and engaging in surveillance of a union meeting.
The Respondent has excepted to all the violations found.4

1 The Respondent has requested oral argument. The request is de-
nied as the record, exceptions, and briefs adequately present the issues
and the positions of the parties.
2 The Respondent has excepted to some of the judge’s credibility
findings. The Board’s established policy is not to overrule an adminis-
trative law judge’s credibility resolutions unless the clear preponder-
ance of all the relevant evidence convinces us that they are incorrect.
Standard Dry Wall Products, 91 NLRB 544 (1950), enfd. 188 F.2d 362
(3d Cir. 1951). We have carefully examined the record and find no
basis for reversing the findings. In this regard, however, we do not rely
on the judge’s finding that employee Charles Thornton called another
employee “dumb and ignorant”; Thornton, whom the judge broadly
credited, testified that he made no such statement. This error on the
part of the judge does not undermine his otherwise well-supported
finding that Thornton did not use a racial slur.
We correct sec. III, B, (a), iv, of the judge’s decision, the last sen-
tence of which should have referred to “Williams” rather than “Hub-
bard.” We also correct sec. III, C, 2, d, (1) and III, C, 3, par. 4, by
substituting “suspending” for “discharging” and “terminating,” respec-
tively.
3 We shall also modify the order pursuant to Indian Hills Care Cen-
ter, 321 NLRB 144 (1996).
4 We adopt the judge’s finding that Supervisor Dan Marrs unlaw-
fully threatened employees that, if they chose the Union as their bar-
gaining representative, negotiations would start from “ground zero.” In
context, we find that employees would reasonably believe that they
would lose everything, or start at entry levels, and have to negotiate for
the wages, vacations, holidays, and insurance they already had. “Such
statements are objectionable when, in context, they effectively threaten
employees with the loss of existing benefits and leave them with the
impression that what they may ultimately receive depends in large
measure on what the Union can induce the employer to restore.” Plas-
tronics, Inc., 233 NLRB 155, 156 (1977). That was exact tenor of
Marrs’ remarks.
1. We find merit in the Respondent’s exception that
the judge erred in finding that it engaged in unlawful
surveillance of a union meeting.
Employees attending a union meeting on the evening
of April 4 saw the Respondent’s vice president, Bill
Obermark, drive past the union hall shortly before the
meeting started. There is no indication in the record,
however, that more than fortuitous circumstances caused
Obermark to drive by the union meeting site. There is no
showing, for example, that Obermark did not have busi-
ness in the neighborhood, or that he did not use that route
to drive home. Nor is there any evidence that the Re-
spondent was aware that a meeting was to be held that
evening. On this sparse record, then, we find that the
General Counsel has failed to establish that Obermark’s
presence in the area was other than coincidental. There-
fore, we reverse the judge’s finding of an 8(a)(1) viola-
tion and dismiss this allegation of the complaint.
2. The judge found that the Respondent violated Sec-
tion 8(a)(3) and (1) by disciplining several employees
and by discharging Charles Thornton. We affirm the
judge’s findings that the Respondent’s conduct was un-
lawful.5 In so doing, we note that the judge found that
the suspension of Stephanie Almy and its warning and
termination of Thornton were unlawful because they
were based on the Respondent’s erroneous belief that
Almy and Thornton had engaged in unacceptable con-
duct while soliciting on behalf of the Union.6 In these
circumstances, we find it unnecessary to decide whether
the Respondent’s actions violated Section 8(a)(3) as well
as Section 8(a)(1), because the finding of an 8(a)(3) vio-
lation would not affect the remedy.7
The Respondent asserts, however, that since Almy was
reinstated to her former position with backpay, she suf-
fered no injury and no violation should be found. We
disagree. In addition to the factors discussed by the
judge, the Respondent has not fully repudiated its con-

5 We find it unnecessary to rely on the judge’s discussion of Ham-
mary Mfg. Corp., 265 NLRB 57 (1982), because we agree with the
judge that the Respondent applied its no-solicitation rule in a discrimi-
natory fashion against employees engaged in union solicitation.
The judge found that employee Hubbard would have been dis-
charged for his conduct of March 1, even if he had not been engaged in
union activities. In affirming the judge, we note, in addition to the
factors he relied on, that other employees had previously been dis-
charged for similar conduct.
6 NLRB v. Burnup & Sims, 379 U.S. 21 (1964). Thornton denied so-
liciting for the Union as well as harassing a fellow employee on March
1, as the Respondent contended, and the judge credited his testimony.
However, because the Respondent believed that Thornton had been
soliciting for the Union, the Respondent’s warning to him violated Sec.
8(a)(1). See Ideal Dyeing & Finishing Co., 300 NLRB 303 (1990),
enfd. 956 F.2d 1167 (9th Cir. 1992).
7 Burnup & Sims, 379 U.S. at 2; see also Ideal Dyeing & Finishing
Co., supra, at 303 fn. 5.
327 NLRB No. 47
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duct with respect to Almy by adequately publishing such
repudiation, assuring employees that it will no longer
interfere with the exercise of their Section 7 rights, or
refraining from further violations. See Passavant Memo-
rial Area Hospital, 237 NLRB 138 (1978).
Our dissenting colleague contends that the Respon-
dent’s actions were sufficient, and that the other Passa-
vant conditions need not be met. In effect, he would
overrule Passavant. His contention overlooks the fact
that repudiation serves a purpose in addition to restoring
the employer and the directly affected employee to each
other’s good graces. Repudiation signals unambiguously
to the other employees that the Respondent recognizes
that it has acted wrongfully, that it respects their Section
7 rights, and that it will not interfere with those rights
again. Without such signals, there is no assurance that
the coercive effects of the initial wrongful conduct will
not linger in the workplace. The Board requires the post-
ing of notices to like effect when it finds that employers
and unions have violated employees’ rights; parties
should be required to do no less in order to avoid being
found to have violated the Act by engaging in similar
conduct.
Our colleague suggests, however, that by requiring ad-
herence to all the standards set forth in Passavant, the
Board discourages employers from taking prompt reme-
dial measures and fosters lengthy litigation. He reasons
that, if an employer or union fails to meet one of those
standards, the relief it does provide will be unavailing,
and, therefore, that such relief often will not be provided
at all. The dissent’s argument, at bottom, is that employ-
ers who realize that they have taken erroneous and possi-
bly unlawful actions against their employees; nonethe-
less, will not take reasonable remedial measures to
minimize their backpay exposure because they may still
be required to post a notice if those measures prove to be
inadequate. As that seems to run counter to employers’
financial interests, the argument fails to persuade us. In
any event, it ignores the fundamental remedial purpose
of the Board’s notice requirements.
3. We adopt the judge’s finding that the Respondent’s
president, Dana Weber, disparaged the Union by telling
employees that the Union was responsible for the Re-
spondent’s unlawful discipline of four of its employees.
Although an employer is generally free to make critical
comments about a union that is seeking to organize its
employees, it violates Section 8(a)(1) of the Act when it
takes adverse action against employees and falsely
blames its action on the union. It thereby coercively
suggests to employees that seeking union representation
results in damage to their terms and conditions of em-
ployment. Thus, in Feldkamp Enterprises,8 the Board
found that the employer violated Section 8(a)(1) when it
denied employees pay increases to which they were enti-

8.323 NLRB 1193, 1199 (1997).
tled and blamed the denial on the union. Indeed, We-
ber’s statements were even more coercive. She not only
attempted to fix the blame for the Respondent’s unlawful
conduct on the Union; her remarks also constituted an
implicit threat to take similar disciplinary action against
the listening employees if they, too, should engage in
protected conduct on behalf of the Union.
Our dissenting colleague contends that Weber’s re-
marks are protected by Section 8(c) because they were
based on a good-faith belief that the employees had vio-
lated its no-solicitation policy. We find no merit in that
contention. As the judge found, the Respondent imposed
harsher discipline on employees whose union solicita-
tions violated the no-solicitation policy than on other
employees who had engaged in equivalent solicitations
unrelated to union matters. Also, in referring to the dis-
cipline imposed, Weber implicitly included the suspen-
sion of Stephanie Almy, even though Almy had denied
violating the policy and an investigation of her conduct
(which ultimately completely vindicated her) had barely
begun. In light of the Respondent’s discriminatory
treatment of union supporters and its evident disregard
for the accuracy of its allegations directed toward them,
we reject our colleague’s suggestion that Weber’s re-
marks were made in good faith.
The dissent also contends that Linn v. United Plant
Guard Workers, 383 U.S. 53 (1966), requires dismissal
of this allegation because there is no showing that Weber
uttered her statements with actual malice. We disagree.
Linn was a libel case. Here, we are not finding that We-
ber libeled the Union. Rather, as we have found above,
her remarks constituted implicit threats that other em-
ployees would risk being unlawfully disciplined if they
also engaged in prounion activities. Such threats are not
protected by Section 8(c). See NLRB v. Gissel Packing
Co., 395 U.S. 575 (1969).
ORDER
The National Labor Relations Board orders that the
Respondent, Webco Industries, Inc., Sand Springs, Okla-
homa, its officers, agents, successors, and assigns, shall
1. Cease and desist from
(a) Warning, suspending, or discharging employees
because they solicited other employees’ support for the
United Steelworkers of America, AFL–CIO, CLC (the
Union).
(b) Disparaging the Union to employees by falsely tell-
ing them that the Union was responsible for the unlawful
discipline of the Respondent’s employees.
(c) Telling employees that if they select the Union as
their bargaining representative, bargaining will start from
ground zero or will start at employees’ entry pay level,
and that it would be futile for them to select the Union as
their bargaining representative.
(d) Telling employees who support the Union to quit
their jobs.
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(e) Telling employees improperly disciplined for their
union activities that they had been punished for soliciting
employee support for the Union and handing out union
literature.
(f) Threatening employees with loss of benefits if they
select the Union as their bargaining representative.
(g) In any like or related manner interfering with, re-
straining, or coercing employees in the exercise of the
rights guaranteed them by Section 7 of the National La-
bor Relations Act.
2. Take the following affirmative action designed to
effectuate the policies of the Act.
(a) Rescind the written warnings to employees Brad
Powell and Charles Thornton, the suspensions of em-
ployees Thornton, Stephanie Almy, and Charles Wil-
liams, and the discharge of Thornton.
(b) Within 14 days from the date of this Order offer, in
writing, full reinstatement to Thornton to his former job
or, if that job no longer exists, to a substantially equiva-
lent position, without prejudice to his seniority or any
other rights or privileges previously enjoyed.
(c) Make Thornton and Williams whole for any loss of
earnings and other benefits suffered as a result of the
discrimination against them, with interest, as set forth in
the remedy section of the judge’s decision.
(d) Within 14 days from the date of this Order, remove
from its files any reference to the unlawful discipline and
discharge of the employees named above and, within 3
days thereafter, notify those employees, in writing, that
this has been done and that this unlawful conduct will not
be used against them in any way.
(e) Preserve and, on request, make available to the
Board or its agents for examination and copying, all pay-
roll records, social security payment records, timecards,
personnel records and reports, and all other records nec-
essary to analyze the amount of backpay due under the
terms of this Order.
(f) Within 14 days after service by the Region, post at
its Sand Springs, Oklahoma facility where notices to
employees are customarily posted copies of the attached
notice marked “Appendix.”9 Copies of the notice, on
forms provided by the Regional Director, in English and
such other languages as the Regional Director determines
are necessary to fully communicate with employees, after
being signed by the Respondent’s authorized representa-
tive, shall be posted by the Respondent and maintained
for 60 consecutive days in conspicuous places, including
all places where notices to employees are customarily
posted. Reasonable steps shall be taken by the Respon-
dent to ensure the notices are not altered, defaced, or
covered by any other material. In the event that, during

9 If this Order is enforced by a judgment of a United States court of
appeals, the words in the notice reading “Posted by Order of the Na-
tional Labor Relations Board” shall read “Posted Pursuant to a Judg-
ment of the United States Court of Appeals Enforcing an Order of the
National Labor Relations Board.”
the pendency of these proceedings, the Respondent has
gone out of business or closed the facility involved in
these proceedings, the Respondent shall duplicate and
mail, at its own expense, a copy of the notice to all cur-
rent employees and former employees employed by the
Respondent at any time since March 1, 1997.
(g) Within 21 days after service by the Region, file
with the Regional Director a sworn certification of a re-
sponsible official on a form to be provided by the Region
attesting to the steps that the Respondent has taken to
comply.

MEMBER HURTGEN, dissenting in part.
Unlike my colleagues, I would not find that the Re-
spondent, by its president, Dana Weber, unlawfully dis-
paraged the Union regarding the Respondent’s discipline
of four employees. As recounted by the judge, Weber
held employee meetings in which the Union’s organizing
campaign was discussed. Certain employees had been
disciplined for allegedly violating the Respondent’s no-
solicitation policy. Weber told employees, among other
things, that “either the Union failed to warn them (about
Respondent’s no-solicitation policy) or encouraged them
to violate the policy.” Weber also opined that the disci-
plined employees “had been potentially sacrificed by the
Union for the benefit of the Union.”
In my view, Weber’s remarks were protected by Sec-
tion 8(c). As the Board held in Camvac International,
288 NLRB 816, 820 (1988), Section 8(c) protects an
employer’s characterization of a union, and the employ-
ees are capable of evaluating the remarks for themselves.
In this case, Weber simply expressed the opinions that
(1) the employees violated the policy; and (2) the Union
did not warn them about the policy or it encouraged them
to breach the policy. Even if the opinions were factually
incorrect, that would not mean that the statements lost
the protection of Section 8(c). Opinions uttered in the
context of a labor-management dispute are privileged
unless they are maliciously false.1 There is no showing
of such malice here.
The majority contends that Respondent “coercively
suggest[ed] to employees that seeking union representa-
tion results in damage to their terms and conditions of
employment.” There is no evidence to support the con-
tention. At most, Respondent suggested that soliciting in
violation of the no-solicitation rule would lead to adverse
employment consequences.
Similarly, the majority contends that Respondent’s re-
marks were “an implicit threat against the listening em-
ployees if they, too, should engage in protected conduct
on behalf of the Union.” Again, my colleagues paint
with too broad a brush. Respondent’s remarks were
solely in reference to breaches of the no-solicitation rule.
I recognize that the discipline of the employees has
now been adjudicated as unlawful. However, Respon-
1 Linn v. Plant Guards, 383 U.S. 53 (1966).
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dent’s defense was, and is, that the employees in fact
violated the policy. There is no suggestion that the de-
fense, although ultimately unsuccessful, was frivolous or
proffered in bad faith. The fact that Respondent’s de-
fense is rejected here is not a reason to find unlawful the
assertion of the defense.
The judge found that the statements were uttered in
bad faith. However, that finding is based on the proposi-
tion that Respondent did not know whether its position
would be upheld. As discussed above, I would permit an
employer to state its position, pendente lite, unless that
position is patently frivolous.
Finally, my colleagues rely on Feldkamp, 323 NLRB
1193 (1997). The case does not support their view. In
that case, the employer unlawfully denied a wage in-
crease, and said that the union was the cause of the de-
nial of the increase. In the instant case, Respondent did
not suggest that the Union caused the discipline. Re-
spondent took full responsibility for that discipline. At
most, Respondent suggested that the Union failed to
warn employees about the conduct for which they were
disciplined.
On a separate matter, I do not agree that a remedy is
required with respect to Almy. Almy was unlawfully
suspended on March 1, 1997. However, the suspension
was revoked on March 15, 1997, and fully backpay was
granted. In my view, this prompt corrective action is to
be encouraged, and it obviates the necessity for a reme-
dial decree.
In finding contra, my colleagues rely on Passavant,
237 NLRB 138 (1978). That case sets forth stringent
conditions that a respondent must fulfill in order to avoid
a remedial decree. Those steps are:
1. The repudiation of unlawful conduct must be
“timely,” “unambiguous,” “specific in nature to the coer-
cive conduct” and “free from other prescribed illegal
conduct.”
2. There must be adequate publication of the repudia-
tion to the employees involved.
3. There must be no proscribed conduct on the respon-
dent’s part after the publication.
4. The repudiation should give assurances to employ-
ees that in the future the respondent will not interfere
with the exercise of their Section 7 rights.
In my view, the Board should encourage employers
and unions to take prompt remedial relief with respect to
unlawful conduct that they may have committed. Par-
ticularly in the field of labor relations, time is of the es-
sence, and justice delayed is often justice denied. In
general, I would rather see an unlawful labor practice
retracted promptly, than a court decision years later with
a decree and remedial notice. The former is prompt, ef-
fective, and inexpensive in terms of private litigation
costs and public expenditures. In addition, the prolonga-
tion of a labor dispute serves the interests of no one.
I believe that Passavant discourages prompt relief. If
an employer or union stubs its toe on one of the condi-
tions, its prompt relief will be of no avail. The result is
that prompt remedial action is frequently avoided be-
cause it will not serve the purpose of ending the dispute
and the attendant litigation. The majority responds that,
quite apart from Passavant, respondents will take correc-
tive action to toll backpay. Experience shows that some
respondents do so and some do not. More importantly,
Respondent here not only revoked the suspension
(thereby tolling backpay), but also paid the backpay.
As noted, Respondent promptly rescinded Almy’s sus-
pension and gave full backpay to her. My colleagues
nontheless contend that other employees were coerced by
the conduct directed to Almy, and that the remedial ac-
tion was not “published” to them. However, in my view,
these other employees are far more likely to have their
fears assuaged by the prompt remedial action given to
Almy than they would be by a court decree years later.
The shop floor opinion of the incident will be that she
was vindicated. I would, therefore, treat Almy’s suspen-
sion as effectively resolved.
The majority suggests that I am considering only the
rights of the injured employee. The suggestion is inaccu-
rate. As set forth above, I believe that all of the employ-
ees will be aware of the prompt remedy afforded to the
injured employee, and their concerns will be assuaged
thereby. Prompt remedial action does far more, in my
view, to “signal” other employees that their Section 7
rights will be respected than does a notice posted years
later.
Finally, I recognize that Almy was subjected to 8(a)(1)
conduct after her reinstatement. However, her remedy of
reinstatement and backpay remained intact, and the
8(a)(1) violation is being remedied here. I do not agree
that the 8(a)(1) violation rendered the remedy ineffec-
tive.2
APPENDIX
NOTICE TO EMPLOYEES
POSTED BY ORDER OF THE
NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD
An Agency of the United States Government

The National Labor Relations Board has found that we vio-
lated the National Labor Relations Act and has ordered us to
post and abide by this notice.

Section 7 of the Act gives employees these rights.

To organize
To form, join, or assist any union

2 As to employee Williams, the Respondent’s suspension of him for
2 weeks was unlawful. Respondent then changed it to a 3-day suspen-
sion. However, the judge found that the 3-day suspension was inde-
pendently violative because it was itself discriminatorily motivated.
Where the “curative” action is itself unlawfully motivated, it obviously
does not qualify as a remedy for the prior unlawful action.
DECISIONS OF THE NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD 176
To bargain collectively through representatives
of their own choice
To act together for other mutual aid or protection
To choose not to engage in any of these protected
concerted activities.

Given all these facts, we give you the following assur-
ances:

WE WILL NOT warn, suspend, or terminate our em-
ployees because they engage in protected concerted or
union activities by soliciting support for the Union.
WE WILL NOT disparage United Steelworkers of
America, AFL–CIO, to employees by falsely telling
them that that the Union was responsible for the disci-
pline and suspension of our employees on March 1,
1997.
WE WILL NOT tell employees that if they select the
Union as their bargaining representative, bargaining will
start from ground zero or will start at employees’ entry
pay level, and that it would be futile for them to select
the Union as their bargaining representative.
WE WILL NOT tell employees who are union sup-
porters to quit their jobs.
WE WILL NOT tell employees improperly disciplined
for their union activities that they have been punished for
soliciting employee support for the Union and handing
out union literature.
WE WILL NOT threaten employees with loss of bene-
fits if they select the Union as their bargaining represen-
tative.
WE WILL NOT in any like or related manner interfere
with, restrain, or coerce employees in the exercise of the
rights guaranteed them in Section 7 of the Act.
WE WILL cancel, revoke, and rescind the wrongful
warnings issued to Brad Powell and Charles Thornton,
the wrongful suspensions of employees Stephanie Almy
and Charles Williams, and the discharge of Charles
Thornton.
WE WILL, within 14 days from the date of the
Board’s Order, offer Charles Thornton full reinstatement
to his former job or, if that job no longer exists, to a sub-
stantially equivalent position, without prejudice to his
seniority or any other rights or privileges previously en-
joyed, and WE WILL make Thornton and Williams
whole, with interest, for any loss of earnings and other
benefits suffered as a result of our discrimination against
them.
WE WILL, within 14 days from the date of the
Board’s Order, remove from our files any reference to
our unlawful discharge or discipline of the employees
named above, and WE WILL, within 3 days thereafter,
notify each named employee in writing that this has been
done and that our unlawful conduct will not be used
against him or her in any way.

WEBCO INDUSTRIES, INC.

Francis A. Molenda, Esq., for the General Counsel.
David E. Strecker and Robert C. Fries, Esqs. (Strecker & Asso-
ciates, P.C.), of Tulsa, Oklahoma, for the Respondent.
DECISION
STATEMENT OF THE CASE
CLIFFORD H. ANDERSON, Administrative Law Judge. I
heard this case in trial on September 23, 24, and 25, 1997, in
Tulsa, Oklahoma, pursuant to an order consolidating cases,
consolidated complaint and notice of hearing issued by the
Regional Director for Region 17 of the National Labor Rela-
tions Board on April 30, 1997, and amended on July 7, 1997,
based on a charge in Case 17–CA–19047 filed on March 3,
1997, by the United Steelworkers of America, AFL–CIO (the
Union) against Webco Industries, Inc. (the Respondent) and
amended on March 14, 1997, and a second charge in Case 17–
CA–19120 filed on April 7, 1997, by the Union against the
Respondent. Posthearing briefs were submitted by the General
Counsel and the Respondent on November 20, 1997.
The complaint as amended alleges that the Respondent vio-
lated Section 8(a)(3) and (1) of the National Labor Relations
Act (the Act) by disciplining, suspending, and terminating cer-
tain employees because of the employees’ union activities and
to discourage employees from engaging in such activities and
by making certain statements to employees and taking certain
actions violative of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act. The Respondent
in its answer denies that it violated the Act as alleged.
FINDINGS OF FACT
On the entire record,1 including helpful briefs from the Re-
spondent and the General Counsel, I make the following find-
ings of fact.2
I. JURISDICTION
The Respondent, a corporation with an office and place of
business in Sand Springs, Oklahoma, has at all times material
been engaged in the manufacture of steel tubing. During its
business operations the Respondent has annually purchased and
received directly from points outside the State of Oklahoma
goods and services valued in excess of $50,000 and in the same
periods has sold and shipped goods and services valued in ex-
cess of $50,000 from its facility to points outside the State of
Oklahoma.
Based on the above, there is no dispute and I find the Re-
spondent is and has been at all times material an employer en-

1 The General Counsel’s motion to correct transcript is granted to the
extent it was unopposed. The Respondent’s response to the General
Counsel’s motion opposed three of the General Counsel’s proposed
corrections and proposed a different correction in a fourth instance.
The General Counsel’s requested change number eight is granted over
the Respondent’s opposition. The General Counsel’s requested
changes 7 and 13 are denied. The General Counsel’s requested change
number 20 is denied and the Respondent’s proposed alternate change is
granted. The corrections to the transcript do not change the results
here.
2 As a result of the pleadings and the stipulations of counsel at the
trial, there were few disputes of fact regarding collateral matters.
Where not otherwise noted, the findings here are based on the plead-
ings, the stipulations of counsel, or unchallenged credible evidence.
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gaged in commerce within the meaning of Section 2(2), (6),
and (7) of the Act.
II. LABOR ORGANIZATION
The Union is a labor organization within the meaning of Sec-
tion 2(5) of the Act.
III. THE ALLEGED UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICES
A. Background
The Respondent is an Oklahoma State corporation engaged
in the business of manufacturing and distributing steel tubing at
a facility in Sand Springs, Oklahoma (the facility or plant). The
plant is of substantial size and operates on a 24 hours per day, 7
days per week basis. Shifts run daily on a 6 to 6–12 hour basis.
On the plant entrance gate facing out, the Respondent has at all
material times maintained a sign which reads:
WEBCO INDUSTRIES, INC.
TRESPASSING SOLICITATION AND/OR DISTRIBUTION
OF LITERATURE ON THESE PREMISES IS STRICTLY
PROHIBITED
At relevant times the Respondent’s president and chief oper-
ating officer was Dana Weber. Its vice president of operations
at Southwest Tube Division, in essence the individual in charge
of the plant, at relevant times was William Obermark. Its shift
business manager in the Cold Draw Department was Dan
Marrs. Its shift business manager in the finishing and shipping
area was Dennis Coldiron. These individuals’ status as super-
visors and agents of the Respondent is not in dispute. The fa-
cility is not and has not been organized.
The Respondent at relevant times maintained3 and posted a
written “non-solicitation and distribution of literature policy”
which by its terms prohibits all such activities on company
property by nonemployees. The policy also prohibits employee
solicitation and distribution of literature during the working
time of the solicitee or solicitor and in working areas. Employ-
ees who violate the policy by its terms are subject to discipline
up to and including discharge. This written policy is not under
challenge by the General Counsel.
The Union represents employees at another area employer,
Sheffield Steel, and in consequence operates a union hall in the
community of Sand Springs some 3 to 4 miles away from the
Respondent’s facility. In February 19974 the Union contem-
plated an organizing drive at the Respondent’s plant and held
several meetings with certain of the Respondent’s employees at
the union hall. An organizing committee of the Respondent’s
employees was formed. At a Friday, February 28 meeting Un-
ion Organizer Murlin Andrews passed out blank authorization
cards to the 18 or so employee members of the organizing
committee and instructed them on how to obtain employee
signatures. He testified:

I told them they could hand out cards before work, after work,
during breaks, and at lunchtime. I also told them that if they
were allowed to talk about hunting or fishing or anything else
in the plant during working hours, they was allowed to talk
about the Union, but not to stop anybody from working.

3 The policy was established in 1995 and a copy of it was physically
attached to employees paychecks and mailed to their homes.
4 All dates hereinafter refer to calendar year 1997 unless otherwise
indicated.
Although the Union was involved in organizing activities in
March as described below, the campaign was not successful
and did not at any time involve the filing of a representation
petition nor a demand for recognition. As of the time of the
trial the Union was no longer actively seeking to represent the
plant employees.
B. Events
1. Saturday, March 1
a. Employee activities
Several employees working the Saturday, March 1, 6 a.m.
shift engaged in activities that are in dispute. It seems appro-
priate to discuss their various activities as appears below.
I. BRAD POWELL
Brad Allen Powell was a weld mill cutoff operator and
backup mill operator. He testified he exchanged words about
the Union on a single occasion at the beginning of the March 1
morning shift. Mills 1 and 2 were briefly down and the em-
ployees who were working with the equipment were standing
around. During this downtime Powell spoke briefly to fellow
employee Al Tanner. The entire conversation went as follows
in Powell’s recollection:

I said, “Well, you missed out on a good meeting.” He said,
“Oh,” he said, “what kind of meeting?” I said, “Oh, you
know.” He said, “No, I don’t know.” I said, “Oh, you know,
about the Union.”

The Respondent’s vice president, Obermark, testified that it
was reported to him that same day that Powell, while he was on
worktime, had gone to other people’s work stations and invited
employees to come to the next union meeting.
II. FRANK HUBBARD
James F. (Frank) Hubbard Jr. was at the time of these events
a quality assurance operator in training. He testified employees
had asked him that Saturday morning if he had union cards and
he had told them “no,” but to come see him at the break. Dur-
ing the break, which he testified he always took in the Tensile
room, several employees came in and discussed the Union with
him and received authorization cards.
Employee Kerri Elsing testified that she and other employees
have for many years taken their workbreaks in the Tensile
room5 located directly across from the lunchroom because it
often had better ambient temperature and because employees
5 Presumably “Tensile” as in resistance to breaking under tension.
The room was a work area used by quality control operators and
straightener operators.
Some dispute occurred respecting whether or not the Tensile room
was in fact regularly used by employees as an alternative breakroom.
Charles Thornton indicated he had used it as a breakroom on occasion.
Dennis Coldiron, however, testified that the Tensile room was not a
breakroom and had not been used in such a manner to his knowledge.
As will be discussed in greater detail, infra, I found Coldiron to be an
unpersuasive witness with a demeanor which convinced me he was
testifying not from his own memory of events and circumstances, but
rather was describing situations as he believed his employer would
have wished they had occurred. He is discredited as to this testimony.
In contrast, Hubbard and Elsing, corroborated to a degree by Thornton,
gave convincing and detailed testimony respecting the regular and
longstanding use of the Tensile room as an ad hoc breakroom by smok-
ers. I credit them and find the Tensile room was used as Elsing and
Hubbard describe.
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could smoke in that area after smoking had been prohibited in
the lunch area. During the normal scheduled break period on
the morning of March 1, Elsing testified she was in the Tensile
room on break as was Frank Hubbard, who was eating a sand-
wich. At that time she received a union authorization card from
Hubbard and signed it.
Hubbard testified that in the course of his quality assurance
duties that morning he was called to various locations within
the plant as is normal and dealt with various problems employ-
ees were experiencing. He also testified that employees asked
him about union matters but that he told them he would talk to
them on break.
He testified that he had been informed that on that Saturday
he was to “to run some tubes on a new eddy current for the
Vilter Corporation and take it on a disk,” a procedure which
involved setting up certain testing equipment he had not done
before. Hubbard testified that his work on the Vilter testing was
initially delayed that morning because other employees were
operating a straightener machine which he needed for his work.
Hubbard testified that he was able to gain access to the machine
at about 11:30 that morning at which point he worked an hour
to an hour and a half attempting to set up the necessary testing
equipment. He was unable to accomplish his task. He testified
he then telephoned his supervisor, Charles Conn, at about 1
p.m. about the problem and reviewed with Conn what he had
tried in attempting to set up the equipment and was given sug-
gestions by Conn as to what he should do in making a further
attempt to set up the equipment. Hubbard testified that Conn
told him: “[I]f I didn’t get it, don’t worry about it, don’t worry
about the setup.” At this point in the call, Hubbard was inter-
rupted as will be discussed below.
Charles Conn, the quality coordinator, and Hubbard’s imme-
diate supervisor, testified he had a conversation with Hubbard
on February 28 in which he told Hubbard the Vilter testing had
to be done immediately and was a priority or hot project be-
cause the customer needed the material tested and returned so
that it could continue its operations. Conn testified he told
Hubbard the job needed to be done the next day, Saturday, and
also told him that, if there were any problems, Hubbard should
call him. Conn recalled Hubbard said he understood the ur-
gency of the project. Conn did not work the next day, but re-
ceived a telephone call from Hubbard in the early afternoon.
Hubbard told Conn he was having trouble setting up the testing
equipment and Conn made suggestions as to what procedures
Hubbard should attempt.
Thomas Rappsilver, director of quality assurance, testified
that he had a telephone conversation with Hubbard at about 11
a.m. on March 1 in which he asked Hubbard how the Vilter job
was going and Hubbard told him he was having trouble saving
the test results to a computer data disk. Rappsilver testified he
told Hubbard to forget about trying to save the information onto
a disk, but rather to get the material tested so that it could be
shipped to the customer.
Shift Business Manager Michael Tanner testified that he had
observed Hubbard on March 1 in various places in the plant,
but not at work on the Vilter job, and that he had observed
Hubbard during breaktime near the breakroom putting pieces of
paper in the pockets of employees. Tanner testified he reported
these events to Shift Business Manager Coldiron.
Dennis Coldiron, the supervisor over Hubbard, testified that
he had learned the day prior to that Saturday of the importance
of the Vilter testing work to be done by Hubbard on March 1
and confirmed that fact with Hubbard at the commencement of
the shift on March 1. Coldiron again confirmed with Hubbard
the importance of the Vilter project an hour or two later and
Hubbard indicated, in Coldiron’s memory, that he had not got-
ten very far on it.
Coldiron testified that while a quality assurance employee
such as Hubbard might well go throughout the plant on quality
assurance business on a typical day, March 1 was far from typi-
cal for him given the urgent Vilter assignment and that in con-
sequence, Hubbard should have concentrated his efforts en-
tirely on the Vilter project which required he be at a given piece
of equipment. In such a circumstance, Coldiron testified, the
quality assurance problems that arose in the plant should have
been referred to Coldiron so that he could deal with them or
have others do so and should not have been undertaken by
Hubbard.
III. STEPHANIE ALMY
Employee Stephanie Almy testified she initially took her
lunchbreak on March 1 in the lunchroom, but that various con-
versations about union cards were occurring and she retreated
to the Tensile room for greater privacy and there dealt with
Frank Hubbard regarding an authorization card, chatted for a
time, smoked a cigarette and left. Hubbard recalled that several
employees, including Almy, spoke with him about the Union
while he was on break in the Tensile room.
Shift Business Manager Michael Tanner testified that he ob-
served Almy talking to Hubbard at the beginning of the shift
and about an hour later. As described above respecting Hub-
bard, Tanner also reported these observations to Dennis Coldi-
ron.
IV. CHARLES WILLIAMS
Employee Charles Williams testified that on March 1 he had
occasion to talk to two employees who he had earlier solicited
on behalf of the Union. On this occasion he simply asked them
if they had “made up their minds” and the two said they wanted
nothing to do with the Union. The conversation ended at that
point. Another time that day on the way to the lavatory, Wil-
liams and another employee, Dan Gibbs, briefly discussed a
union meeting. These comments were overheard by a third
employee, Al Tanner, who joined with Gibbs in expressing
disapproval of the Union. Williams testified he told the two he
did not want to hear any more about it and the conversation
ended.
V. CHARLES THORNTON
Employee Charles Thornton an admitted union supporter tes-
tified that he had been informed the previous day at the union
meeting not to solicit employees on worktime and did not do so
on March 1. Obermark testified that he learned that Thornton,
while attending to some problem at the slitter machine in the
early part of the Saturday shift, had talked to one of the people
working at that work center inviting him to a union meeting and
that Thornton spent some time encouraging the employee to
attend even after that employee had rejected the initial invita-
tion. Thornton recalled that when called into a meeting with
Obermark and others on March 1 he was accused of talking
about the Union with a crane operator but that he could not
recall speaking to a crane operator about the Union that day.
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b. The Respondent’s dealing with employees
I. THE DISCIPLINE OF EMPLOYEES
Vice President of Operations William Obermark testified
that he was contacted at his home soon after 9 a.m. by tele-
phone on March 1 and informed that employees were wander-
ing about the plant and were in some confusion respecting cer-
tain employees’ solicitation of support for the Union. Ober-
mark went to the plant and there consulted with Supervisors
Coldiron and Tanner respecting their observations of, and other
information respecting, the events of the morning.
Obermark and Coldiron testified that Coldiron reported to
Obermark respecting the information reported to him and his
own observations of employees’ activities that morning.
Obermark testified that Tanner and Coldiron related other em-
ployees’ reports to them that some employees were soliciting
for the Union and urging employees to sign authorization cards
and/or attend union meetings.
Respecting employee Almy it was reported that a production
worker said that she was seen handing out literature at the weld
mill furnace exit conveyor station and she was not at her as-
signed work station. Obermark testified that he was informed
that employee Thornton in the early part of the shift had solic-
ited an employee to attend a union meeting and persisted in the
face of the employee’s professed lack of interest.
Obermark testified that he was informed that Hubbard was
perhaps the employee most active in traveling about the plant
soliciting employees. Obermark also knew that Hubbard had an
important job checking certain product to be shipped to a cus-
tomer named Vilter. This was a priority job which should have
prevented Hubbard from leaving his work station until the job
was concluded. Coldiron told Obermark that the Vilter job had
not been completed by Hubbard.
Obermark testified that he learned that Powell had left his
assigned work station and gone to other employees’ work sta-
tions to solicit employees to come to the next union meeting
while the employees were on worktime.
At about 2 p.m. Obermark met with Hubbard and Almy.
Also present were Bob Krewett, manager of human resources,
and Dennis Coldiron. Obermark testified that he braced Hub-
bard with the reports of his activities and asked him about the
Vilter job. Hubbard denied the activities attributed to him and
indicated he had been having problems with the Vilter job.
Finding Hubbard’s explanations of the problems he had had
with the Vilter job unsatisfactory, Obermark told Hubbard he
was in violation of the no-solicitation policy.
Obermark told Almy that he had received information that
she had been seen handing out union authorization cards while
on worktime. Almy denied doing so on worktime, but rather
argued her activities had occurred in the breakroom while she
was on her break. Emotions ran high and the meeting appar-
ently became somewhat chaotic. Obermark ultimately told
both Hubbard and Almy that each was being put on suspension
pending a more complete investigation. Each was issued a
written consultation form indicating that the employee had been
“[c]onducting solicitation in violation of company regulations”
and directing the employee to “discontinue” the conduct. The
forms indicated each employee was being suspended. The two
then left the facility.
At about 2:30 p.m. Obermark met with Powell and Thornton.
Also present were Bob Krewett and Larry Stokes, Thornton’s
supervisor. Obermark asserted that Thornton had solicited an
employee’s support for the Union even after the employee had
expressed disapproval, Thornton denied the allegation in some
heat. Obermark told Powell he had been violating the no-
solicitation rule and Powell admitted he had. Each employee
was issued a written consultation or warning form indicating
that the employee had been “[c]onducting solicitation in viola-
tion of company regulations” and directing the employee to
“discontinue” the conduct. Thornton entered on his form a
strong denial of the allegation.
Obermark spoke to Charles Williams later in the afternoon in
similar circumstances to those described above. He told Wil-
liams he had been observed going some distance within the
plant to offer two employees union cards which the employees
declined to accept. Obermark testified that Williams denied
issuing cards, but rather asserted he had simply solicited the
employees’ support for the Union. Williams was suspended
pending further investigation of the events. An employee con-
sultation form was prepared specifying that Williams had been
“[c]onducting solicitation in violation of company regulations.”
II. THE OBERMARK-EMPLOYEE MEETINGS
Obermark testified that later that day he held two meetings—
one per shift—to discuss the events of the day. In these meet-
ings he announced that the Union was engaging in an organiz-
ing campaign. He discussed the no-solicitation policy, where it
was posted, its language and examples of conduct covered and
not covered. There was some dispute as to whether or not he
referred to the no-solicitation policy as being “posted on the
fence.” Employees recalled that he did so and Obermark him-
self testified it was very possible that he had.
Robin Robinette, corporate director of personnel services,
was present at these addresses. She recalled that Obermark
discussed the no-solicitation policy and illustrated the rule’s use
of such terms as “non working time” and that Obermark speci-
fied that employees could engage in solicitation in areas and at
times not covered by the rule. In her Board affidavit she re-
called that Obermark referred to the no-solicitation policy as
“posted everywhere, on the bulletin boards and out front, i.e., at
the fences.” At the hearing she indicated she was unsure re-
specting Obermarks’ precise statements in this regard.
2. March 2—President Weber’s speeches to employees
The Respondent’s president and chief operating officer,
Dana Weber, conducted two meetings of employees; one for
each shift. In each meeting she discussed the events which had
occurred earlier in the week, i.e., the Union’s organizing ef-
forts, the employee solicitation at the plant, and the Respon-
dent’s discipline of the five employees discussed. She also
expressed the view of the Respondent that a union was not
necessary or desirable at the facility. Referring to the five dis-
ciplined employees, she testified that she told the groups that
the Union was supposed to warn employees not to violate the
Respondent’s no-solicitation policy. She, therefore, concluded,
she told employees, “so, either the Union failed to warn them or
encouraged them to violate the policy.” She told the employees
that if, in fact, the Union had either intentionally not warned the
employees or had suggested that they engage in activities in
contravention of the policy, that that would mean that the disci-
plined employees “had been potentially sacrificed by the Un-
ion for the benefit of the Union.”
Employee Richard Wilkerson recalled Weber’s remarks at
one of these two meetings:

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Yes, she started out with—with five people had been disci-
plined on a violation of the company’s solicitation policy, and
that they had been—they had been suspended on account of
that they didn’t know what they were doing or had been mis-
informed or sacrificed for their Union activities.

3. March 6—Supervisor Dan Marrs’ meeting with
department employees

On March 6, at the facility, Shift Business Manager Dan
Marrs, in the presence of Supervisor Joe Spencer and the gen-
eral business manager of the Cold Draw Department, Patricia
Jordan, addressed the 15–18 or so employees under his supervi-
sion. Employee Richard Wilkerson recalled that Marrs told the
employees that the Respondent would bargain with the Union
in good faith, if it was voted in, but “wouldn’t give [the em-
ployees] any more than what we would negotiate for.” Wilker-
son recalled further:

Joe Spencer. Joe asked—Joe Spencer asked him that if—if
the Union was to be voted in, he said, would they—would
these guys start with nothing, you know, zero or minimum
wage? And Dan goes, “Well, maybe not. Maybe not at that,
but they would start at—prob-ably start at our entry levels.”

Employee Gary Scholey testified that he attended this meeting
and recalled:

[Dan Marrs] said that if we voted a union in, during contract
negotiations we would start from ground zero. And Joe
Spencer spoke up, said, “Ground zero, I don’t understand.”
Then he said, “Well, ground zero you have nothing, you lose
everything.” And I asked Dan, I said, “When you say we
have nothing, do you mean we have—what we have now we
lose that?” And he said, “Yes, you have to negotiate for the
wages, vacations, your holiday, all the benefits that you have
are negotiated. You have to negotiate for your insurance.”
He said, “You guys’s insurance is really good.” He said,
“You don’t want to gamble and take a chance on losing this.”

Marrs testified:

Now, at any time—at any time during this speech did you tell
employees that bargaining started from ground zero?
A. I may have used that term, either that or from
scratch. I was—we were discussing how everything was
up for negotiation.
Q. Did you use that phrase in connection with them
getting reduced pay and benefits if they voted in a union?
A. No.
. . . .
Q. Did anyone ask you during this meeting if the com-
pany would start bargaining at minimum wage?
A. Someone said that. You know, when I said every-
thing was up for negotiation, someone asked if that meant
we were going to reduce them to minimum wage.
Q. And who—who asked that question? Was that an
employee or a supervisor?
A. That was one of the employees.
Q. All right. And what did you reply, if anything?
A. I told them, you know, that we’d have to be stupid
to think that they would work for minimum wage. You
know, I told them definitely not.
Q. Did you say anything about taking pay back to en-
try level pay?
A. No.

Patricia Jordan testified but did not address this meeting. Joe
Spencer did not testify.
4. March 15
I. SUSPENSIONS RECONSIDERED
Obermark went on vacation on March 2 and did not return
until the evening of March 12. On March 15 he convened a
meeting of the Respondent’s supervisory staff to discuss the
earlier administered suspensions in light of the investigations
undertaken since the events. As to Almy he testified:

We talked—in talking with the supervisor we found it was not
[a] supervisor that had seen her, but it was another production
worker. So, we talked with that production worker and he
said that he had seen her with a handful of these while on
break in the lunch room, and that she offered it to Tidwell
while they were both on break in the lunch room.

The meeting participants determined that, in light of the facts
disclosed in the investigation, the discipline administered to
Almy “was not proper” and determined to reinstate her and
give her full backpay. Almy was contacted and told to report to
work the following day. She did so. In time she received full
backpay.
Respecting Williams, it was determined that his conduct
merited a 3-day suspension and, given that he had missed more
than 3 days of work to that point, he would in consequence
receive backpay save for the initial 3-day period of his suspen-
sion. Williams was contacted to resume work and did so. A
written consultation—final warning form was prepared for and
signed by Williams indicating the company investigation had
concluded that Williams “made solicitation to at least one em-
ployee in the weld mill bay during both [Williams] and [the
other employee’s] working time.” The form continued:

Therefore . . . you have been suspended for 3 days and are re-
ceiving a final warning. Any future violation of this or any
other Webco policy will result in additional disciplinary ac-
tion up to and including termination.

Williams thereafter received backpay save for the period of the
3-day suspension.
As to Hubbard, it was determined that the importance of the
Vilter job as well as the clarity of the evidence that Hubbard
had not been on task on March 1 merited a discharge based on
violation of the no-solicitation rule and the Respondent’s rule
against insubordination. Williams was contacted by Obermark
by telephone at his home and informed that his suspension had
been converted into a discharge based on violation of the Re-
spondent’s no-solicitation and insubordination policies. Hub-
bard has not returned to the Respondent’s employ.
II. EVENTS RESPECTING THORNTON ON MARCH 14
AND 15
Charles Thornton testified he had known Mark Sparks as a
fellow employee for many years and had an easygoing relation-
ship with him. Mark Sparks, however, testified that Thornton
was “not his kind of guy.” Sparks had worked as a police offi-
cer and was or had been a member of the Fraternal Order of
Police and this fact was known by Thornton. On Friday, March
14 in the Respondent’s breakroom at about 11:15 a.m.—a regu-
lar break period—Sparks testified that he observed Thornton
speaking on behalf of the Union and that Thornton asked him if
he wanted a union card. Sparks recalled he asked for one and,
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having received it from Thornton, immediately ripped it up and
threw it in the trash in front of Thornton. Thornton did not
testify to the events of March 14.
On March 15 during the same break period in the Respon-
dent’s breakroom, Thornton, Sparks, and other employees were
present. The events are in dispute. Thornton, Sparks, and ma-
terial handlers employee Everett Moton testified respecting
events.
Moton, called as a witness by the Respondent, described the
circumstances. Sparks was at a table with other employees,
including Moton, when Thornton approached and made a
statement to Sparks. At the hearing Moton testified to a cer-
tainty that Thornton told Sparks, “I know you will vote for this,
for Union ratification because you are a dumb nigger.” He also
testified, however, that following the remark by Thornton to
Sparks, Moton turned to fellow employee Brian Hedges, who
was seated near him, and asked Hedges what Thornton had just
said. Hedges answered Moton that Thornton had said “dumb
and ignorant.”6 Also, contrary to his trial testimony, Moton
asserted in an April 11 Board prepared affidavit, “I heard
Thornton say clearly [‘] you’re going to vote—are you going to
vote yes?[‘] But I did not quite hear the rest of it—rest of it
because Thornton mumbles when he speaks.”
Moton further testified that Thornton’s remark prompted
Sparks to ask Thornton what he said. When Thornton did not
immediately respond, Sparks again asked Thornton what he had
said, to which Thornton then replied: “You heard me, you’re
dumb and ignorant.” At this point in the events Moton got up
and left. He testified that as he was walking out of the area he
turned back to see what was happening and observed that
Thornton had returned to the table and had his hands on Spark’s
shoulders in a casual manner and was smiling. Moton testified
he could not hear what words the two exchanged at the time.
Moton’s affidavit however recites:

I started out the door, Thornton walked over to Sparks and
said something to the effect I’ll kick the shit out of you. He
was smiling as he spoke. I do not recall Sparks saying any-
thing. Thornton grabbed [Sparks’] shoulders playfully just
goofing around, and I left at that point.

Sparks testified that on the 15th in the breakroom, Thornton
initiated a conversation with him:

[Thornton] told me that I knew who to vote for, that I was his
boy, and at the end of the conversation he said that I knew—I
knew what was best because I was a dumb nigger.
Q. Did he say anything else to you?
A. Yes.
Q. What else did he say?
A. At the end of the conversation he said, “Come out-
side and I’ll kick the shit out of you.”

Sparks testified that, when Thornton made his reference to
“dumb nigger,” Sparks asked Thornton what he had said.
Thornton did not reply and Sparks repeated his inquiry a

6 Counsel for the Respondent objected to this testimony as hearsay.
It clearly is hearsay, but it is also the present sense impressions of
Hedges asserted by the declarant immediately after perceiving the event
and is therefore not excludable as hearsay under Fed.R.Evid. 803(1).
While Hedges did not testify and his absence was unexplained, the
availability of a declarant under Fed.R.Evid. 801 is immaterial. The
statement is, therefore, properly received as substantive evidence and
shall be so considered. My contrary ruling at the hearing is reversed.
second and a third time to which Thornton finally replied: “You
are dumb and ignorant.” Sparks also recalled that Thornton
asked him earlier in the conversation if he was a member of a
union and he responded that, if Thornton meant the Fraternal
Order of Police, he was. Thornton responded to this, in Sparks’
memory: “Oh, yeah, that’s correct, you’re a member of that pig
union, and made snorting noises, then [Thornton] sat back
down.”

Sparks testified he had not heard Thornton refer to him as a
nigger prior to this occasion. Sparks recalled that at the time
Thornton asserted he would “kick the shit out of him” Thorn-
ton was some ten feet from Sparks. Sparks did not directly
corroborate Moton’s observation that Sparks and Thornton
came to be in physical contact with Thornton smiling during
the act. Spark’s testified in response to a question from coun-
sel for the General Counsel:
Q. Did [Thornton] put his arm around you in a joking
manner when he said, “I’ll kick the shit out of you?”
A. He did not have his arm around me at that time.

Thornton testified he believed that Sparks was generally
against the Union and, in his memory, on the 15th asked Sparks
if he was or had been a member of the Fraternal Order of Po-
lice. When Sparks indicated he was, Thornton told him, “that’s
a labor union, dumb ass,” to which Sparks responded that he
knew that. Thornton recalled he then asked Sparks, “how come
we couldn’t have ours.” Thornton testified that when Sparks
answered that “he did not know” to this inquiry, Thornton then
asserted he would “kick the shit out of him.” Thornton testified
this remark prompted various stock rejoinders from Sparks
including, “bring your lunch if you’re going to take all year,
what Army, and stuff like this.”
Thornton contended the entire exchange with Sparks was but
workplace repartee undertaken in a light, humorous vein with-
out actual or evident malice or threat. He asserted the exchange
was neither angry nor unusual. He specifically denied that he
had at anytime called Sparks—“a white man”—“ a nigger” and
denied using racial slurs but rather asserted he opposed their
use by anyone professing the insightful notion that a racial slur
“belittles both races.”
Sparks testified he reported his version of this event to his
supervisor, Shift Business Manager Michael Tanner. Tanner
did not address these matters in his testimony. Obermark,
however, testified that Tanner in turn reported the matter to him
as he was dealing with the discipline issues of the other em-
ployees as described above in the early afternoon of the 15th.
In response Obermark called Thornton into a meeting that af-
ternoon with Respondent’s agents Bob Krewett and Larry
Stokes. These latter two individuals did not testify. Obermark
recalled that he told Thornton that the company had received
“reports that you have been threatening people, telling them to
come outside so you could kick their ass, and you’ve been us-
ing racial slurs.” In Obermark’s memory Thornton simply
defiantly and vulgarly denied all the allegations. Obermark
informed Thornton that he was suspended pending further in-
vestigation of the matter and filled out an employee consulta-
tion form indicating Thornton was involved in “harassment of
other employees.” Thornton made a vulgar entry of strong
disagreement on the form. Thornton was suspended at that
point and left the facility.
Thornton recalled the meeting with Obermark but asserted
that Obermark never discussed the specifics of the charges
DECISIONS OF THE NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD 182
against him. He testified he perceived the matter as simply a
continuation of the Respondent’s earlier assertions he was so-
liciting employee support for the Union. He specifically denied
any reference to alleged racial slurs by him was made by
Obermark or the others in the meeting and asserted he did not
realize such a claim had been made regarding his own conduct
until well after this meeting.
III. THE RESPONDENT’S POST-MARCH 15 ACTIONS
RESPECTING THE THORNTON MATTER
Obermark testified that after the suspension an investigation
was initiated. Thus he testified:

And we found that the previous day then, on the 14th, that he
was giving Shane Sartin a hard time in the lunch room ask—
Q. What do you mean by hard time?
A. Well, he was asking—asking Shane Sartin to come
to a Union meeting and Shane didn’t want to do that. And
Charlie [Thornton] was telling him he really needed to do
this and Shane said, “I don’t want to, I don’t want to talk
about it.” And Charlie said, “No, you need to come to this
meeting.” And Shane told us that he felt he was losing his
temper so he got out and left because Thornton has a very
intimidating manner.

He also testified:

In the lunch room [Thornton] persisted with Shane that he
wanted Shane to attend the Union meetings, and Shane told
him he didn’t want to talk about it, and Charlie persisted and,
you know, in an intimidating manner. And Shane felt that he
was losing his self-control so he got up and left.

The Respondent’s agents also talked to Sparks and Moton
about the events of the 15th to insure that there was no question
or doubt that Thornton had used the racial epithet. Obermark
testified that he was assured that Thornton had called Sparks “a
dumb nigger.” Obermark testified in response to questions
from the Respondent’s counsel as to what happened next.

Q. All right. After you completed your investigation
what did you decide to do?
A. We decided to terminate Thornton’s employment.
Q. Why did you make this decision?
A. Sort of the sum total of the actions. What had hap-
pened Friday; he was—he was becoming intimidating;
what he did on Saturday; everything together.
Q. Saturday, March 15?
A. Yes.
. . . .
Q. And later you decided to terminate him?
A. Yes.
Q. Based on this situation that arose?
A. No.
Q. Based on what?
A. More from the—
Q. What more?
A. The—what he did with Shane Sartin the day before,
also his attitude.
Q. Okay. That was a reason for terminating him, cor-
rect?
A. The Shane Sartin event, plus the racial slur, plus the
shouting match.
Q. Okay.
A. Plus the threat to do bodily harm.

Shane Sartin did not testify. In Thornton’s personnel file
maintained by the Respondent was a written statement signed
by Sartin respecting the events of March 14. The document
asserted that Thornton had asked Sartin to vote for the Union
and that Sartin told Thornton to “stick it.” It further asserts,
“After I left the break room I was mad because I didn’t want
anyone thinking I was for a union. That is why I told him to
stick it.” Having been cross-examined on the Sartin file state-
ment, Obermark testified he would have terminated Thornton
for “the racial slur and the threat of violence to Mark Sparks”
even had the Thornton-Sartin conversation on March 14 never
occurred.
Following his decision to terminate Thornton, Obermark tes-
tified he left it up to the human resources department and lower
supervision to inform Thornton of the decision to terminate
him.
The Respondent terminated Thornton by letter dated April
11 received by Thornton the following day. The letter stated in
part:

You are being terminated for harassing and threatening
a fellow employee.
Specifically, on March 15, 1997, you referred to Mark
Sparks as a “dumb nigger” and said to him “I’ll kick the
shit out of you.” When Sparks tried to walk away from
you, you continued to yell at him with additional insult.
5. March 16—Supervisor Coldiron’s conversation with Almy
Stephanie Almy was notified on March 15 to come to work
the next day and did so. On March 16 she came to work on the
plant floor when she was taken to the office by Trainer Brian
Harmon. She testified she there had a very lengthy conversation
with Dennis Coldiron which evolved into a long discussion
about the merits of trade unionism. Almy testified that Coldi-
ron told her in this conversation that, if she did not like her job,
she should depart. He also said that, if the Union organized the
Respondent, bargaining would start from “ground zero” and the
employees would suffer reductions in wages and other benefits.
Eventually the conversation ended, as Almy recalled:

[H]e sent me back down to the straightener. Then he
informed me that next week that he was going to be
testing me to see how well I knew the straightener, and
that I better know it right and because he could always
put somebody else back up on the straightener.

Coldiron testified he did not recall everything he said to
Almy on her return to employment, but denied threatening her
in any way. Respecting his role in reviewing her work on the
straightener machine, he testified it was his job to review her
performance, that he had done so prior to March and did so
thereafter. Brian Harmon remembered the conversation as
quite short and corroborated Coldiron that no improper state-
ments were made to Almy.
6. April 4
The Union held two meetings for the Respondent’s employ-
ees on April 4 at the Sand Springs Sheffield Steel Union Hall:
one at 3:30 p.m. and one at 6:30 p.m. At dusk, just before the
latter meeting was to start and as attendees were in the front of
the hall preparing to enter the building, William Obermark was
observed driving by on the fronting public street. That fact was
commented on by employees of the Respondent about to enter
the building. Richard Wilkerson testified he clearly identified
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Obermark as he drove his car by the union hall. Obermark did
not address these events in his testimony.
7. The Respondent’s enforcement of its no-solicitation policy
Beyond the events of March 1, considerable testimony was
received respecting the history of the Respondent’s enforce-
ment of its no-solicitation policy. Employees Powell, Elsing,
Hubbard, and Ruckman testified that in the breakroom and on
the shop floor during worktime with regularity employees sold
items such as sausages, candy, telephone services, and football
and other sports pools were organized and participation in the
pools solicited by employees. Elsing testified that Supervisor
Coldiron was personally involved in selling telephone services
on the workfloor during worktimes and had solicited her at the
plant while she was working. Coldiron denied both the occur-
rence of such workplace and worktime solicitations generally
and his own onsite role in such activities.
There was no real dispute that the Respondent’s management
and office administration have from time to time observed so-
licitation by employees, spoken to those employees and di-
rected that they stop such activities. Thus, for example, testi-
mony was received that employees, including supervisors in
some instances, have been instructed to stop selling beauty
products, raffle tickets to raise money for children’s medical
expenses, as well as telephone services. Obermark testified that
on various occasions he instructed employees to cease prosely-
tizing others regarding religious views, cease selling candy, and
stop organizing a football pool. In all cases described, the em-
ployee was spoken to and asked to stop his or her conduct and
the individual thereafter apparently did so. No “write-ups” or
other discipline was ever administered in such “one time” cir-
cumstances. In essence management denied that it ever know-
ingly allowed violations of its no-solicitation policy to occur
unaddressed. Further, Obermark testified that it was highly
unlikely that such activities could go on in the plant even in
remote work areas without his observing such activities inas-
much as he regularly walked the plant.
C. Analysis and Conclusions
It seems appropriate in this case to approach the complaint
generally in a chronological manner with modifications as ap-
propriate.
l. Complaint paragraph 5, subparagraph (a), and subparagraph
(b)(i)—Alleged over expansion of the no-solicitation policy
Complaint paragraph 5, subparagraph (a), alleges:

Since about January 1, 1997, [the] Respondent by posting at
the gate and fences around the facility, promulgated and since
then has maintained the following rule:

Trespassing, Solicitation, and/or Distribution of Literature on
these premises is strictly prohibited.

Complaint paragraph 5, subparagraph (b), alleges:

About March 1, 1997, [the] Respondent, by William Ober-
mark, at the facility:

(i) informed employees that the rule referred to above
in paragraph 5(a) was posted on the gate through
which the employees came to work.

In paragraph 7 of the complaint this conduct is alleged to
violate Section 8(a)(1) of the Act.

As discussed above, the Respondent has had at all relevant
times a written no-solicitation policy which is not under facial
attack by the General Counsel. The language of the complaint
paragraph at issue here describing a far broader prohibition is
taken from the language of the outward facing signs at the Re-
spondent’s facility. The General Counsel does not challenge
the rule as set forth on the signs as they apply to nonemployees
or, it seems clear from the record and brief despite the language
of the complaint itself, that the fact of placing the language on
outward facing signs was a violation of employee rights.
Rather, the General Counsel argues that the repeated references
to the signs by Obermark in his discussion of the no-solicitation
rule in employee disciplinary sessions and in his speeches and
remarks to employees, in effect, incorporated the broad prohibi-
tions of the sign language into the Respondent’s no-solicitation
rule and, therefore, improperly expanded and then applied that
overbroad rule to employees within the plant premises. The
General Counsel further argues that the act of announcing that
improperly expanded rule to employees also violates the Act.
The Respondent first argues that Obermark did not refer to
the signs as contended by the General Counsel or did so only
tangentially. Second, the Respondent argues with a nice bit of
language that the General Counsel’s theory of “incorporation”
is “imaginative but hollow” (R. Br. 12.), because the employees
were at all times clear that the signs were for outsiders and not
applicable to employees on site.
While not set forth in each of the recitations above, em-
ployee witnesses did attribute to Obermark statements includ-
ing the signs on the fences in his references to the locations of
Respondent’s publications of its no-solicitation rule. Indeed,
Obermark himself did not truly deny doing so. Rather, he sim-
ply professed no current recollection of his assertions. His
Board prepared affidavit described a portion of his conversation
with Almy and Hubbard in their disciplinary interview, “I told
the two that they all received the rule in their manuals, that it
was posted on the bulletin boards, and that it was posted on the
fence that they went past each day.” I find that Obermark made
this statement to Almy and Hubbard and made similar remarks
to other employees.
While I have sustained the General Counsel’s factual conten-
tion, I reject his further argument that this conduct commingled
the two rules—one for employees on site and one to outsid-
ers—tainting the employee nonsolicitation rule and rendering it
a violation of the Act. While such a theory of a violation is
plausible in certain factual settings no doubt, on the facts of this
case, Obermark’s comments to employees while perhaps inart-
ful, clumsy, and wrong, when considered in the entire context
of those remarks, may not fairly be said to have misled or have
been reasonably likely to have misled employees as to the true
rule under discussion.
This is so because in each of the conversations alleged by the
General Counsel as commingling the proper narrow employee
no-solicitation rule with the broader general prohibition rule
applicable to outsiders, Obermark made it very plain by expla-
nation and illustration that the conduct prohibited under the no-
solicitation and no-distribution rule was limited to employees
on working time and in working areas and made it clear that
there were areas and times within the plant when the no-
solicitation rule did not apply. These remarks were of suffi-
cient clarity, in my view, that the references to the physical
signs facing outward on the plant fences was not enough in the
entire context of events to mislead employees. This is particu-
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larly true when there was absolutely no evidence that any man-
ager or agent of the Respondent ever characterized its employee
no-solicitation rule as being a broad prohibition of conduct or
ever applied its rule to employees in any such fashion.
Given all the above, I find that Obermark’s statements were
not violative of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act. Accordingly, I find
the General Counsel has not sustained the burden he bears on
establishing a violation of the Act in this regard, and I shall
dismiss paragraphs 5(a) and 5(b)(i) of the complaint. I do not,
however, find the General Counsel’s allegations and theory of a
violation of the Act in these regards to be “frivolous,” as as-
serted by the Respondent on brief at 13 and, therefore shall not
consider the various special measures the Board applies to par-
ties who have asserted frivolous claims.
2. Complaint paragraphs 5, subparagraphs b(ii), (iii) , (iv), and
6—Discipline for March 1 employee union solicitation and
distribution
Complaint paragraph 6 alleges that, on March 1, the Respon-
dent issued written warnings to employees Brad Powell and
Charles Thornton and indefinitely suspended employees
Stephanie Almy, Charles Williams, and Frank Hubbard. It
further alleges that the Respondent suspended its employee
Williams on March 15 and thereafter discharged its employee
Hubbard. Complaint paragraph 5, subparagraphs b(ii) through
b(iv) alleges that Obermark told the employees named above
that they were disciplined for soliciting and handing out litera-
ture for the Union.

a. Argument of the parties
The discipline administered by the Respondent is not in con-
test nor is the fact that the reasons asserted for the discipline by
the Respondent were the employees’ union activities. The Re-
spondent avers it was privileged to take the March 1 action it
did because of the existence of and consistent and benign appli-
cation of a valid no-solicitation/no-distribution rule to the em-
ployees’ actions on that day. The General Counsel argues the
no-solicitation/no-distribution rule was selectively and improp-
erly applied to the union activities of these employees by the
Respondent in two ways. First, the General Counsel contends
the no-solicitation rule7 was not consistently applied to prohibit
union solicitation. Second, the General Counsel argues that the
rule was not fairly applied to the employees in that no disci-
pline was ever administered to first offending employees who
violated the no-solicitation rule in a nonunion context, but such
discipline was administered to the instant employees who were
thought to have engaged in union solicitation and distribution.
The Respondent contests the Governments claim of selective
enforcement of the rule. It also argues that the circumstances
of March 1 were different from and deserved greater discipling
than earlier violations of the rule because of the occurrence of
the conduct by several employees on the same shift at approxi-
mately the same time and on the day an important project was
underway.

b. Resolution of factual disputes and witness

7 Having found, supra, that the Respondent’s no-solicitation no-
distribution rule was not fatally tainted by Obermark’s reference to the
broader rule applied to nonemployees, the references hereinafter to the
rule is to the facially unchallenged rule, quoted, supra, maintained by
the Respondent as part of its governing rules and regulations.
Credibility Issues

As noted above, the evidence concerning enforcement of the
rule was to a certain extent in dispute. The Respondent’s evi-
dence of its agents’ enforcement of the rule as described above
was not directly challenged and is credited. Thus, I find that in
some cases of proselytizing, sales, and other forms of solicita-
tion, the Respondent’s management invoked the no-solicitation
no-distribution rule to instruct certain employees to stop engag-
ing in such solicitation.
The General Counsel’s evidence, as noted above, that at least
in the plant away from the administrative offices, at least cer-
tain times during the plant’s 24 hours a day, 7 days a week
operation, employee solicitation for the sales of phone service
products, children’s affinity group sale items such as cookies
and solicitation of participation in employee recreational activi-
ties such as plant sports event pools was common and unen-
cumbered by supervisory enforcement of the no-solicitation
rule even to the extent of participation by supervisors, including
Coldiron, in such activities.
Coldiron and other of Respondent’s witnesses, including
Obermark, denied observing the activities described by the
General Counsel’s witnesses and made it clear that they would
have been in a position to observe such employee activities had
they occurred. Coldiron specifically denied Elsing’s claim that
he had solicited her to buy telephone services at the plant on
worktime.
I resolve these evidentiary conflicts in large part on de-
meanor grounds, but also on the probabilities relevant to the
events and on the entire record. First, I generally discredit
Coldiron whenever his testimony is inconsistent with that of
Elsing. Elsing appeared to me to be a truthful witness describ-
ing the events from her memory without editing or emendation.
To the contrary, I was convinced by Corldiron’s demeanor that
he was not relating his memory of events, but rather was simply
testifying to what he believed would best serve his employer’s
interests and his own. He seemed willing to deny anything he
thought it might be uncomfortable to admit. I explicitly find he
did attempt to sell phone services to Elsing at the plant on her
worktime and discredit his denial. I further discredit his testi-
mony that he had no occasion to observe or be involved in the
other sales and solicitation activities described by the General
Counsel’s witnesses. Rather, I credit their testimony that such
events occurred.
As to Obermark, my findings respecting his surveillance of
the union meeting, infra, suggest he was not as indifferent to
the protected union activities of the Respondent’s employees as
he suggested in his testimony. I do not, however, discredit his
testimony that open or obvious solicitation inconsistent with the
no-solicitation rule did not occur in his presence without disap-
proving action by him. His statements that such conduct would
have been observed by him if it had been at all regular in its
occurrence, however, is not so convincing. As the high official
at the plant, it is quite likely that employees and first-level su-
pervisors would defer solicitation or any other actions not con-
sistent with plant rules in his presence. In a large facility oper-
ating on a 24-hour basis 7 days a week, it is not impossible, as I
do here, to credit both the testimony of the manager of the plant
that he did not see violations of the solicitation rule as well as
the testimony of various employees that conduct in violation of
the rule was relatively commonplace. Importantly however on
this record and based in part on my observation of Obermark’s
demeanor as he testified to these matters, I also find that as the
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high official who had a style and practice of “management by
walking around” at the facility for a substantial period of time,
that Obermark was also either aware or reasonably should have
been aware that such conduct was in fact occurring at the plant,
albeit to a degree quietly concealed from high management
officials.
On this record, to say that the officials at the plant, including
Obermark, were not aware—even if they were unwilling to
openly or officially countenance such activity—that the em-
ployees on the shop floor and on the weekends were not engag-
ing in solicitation and participation in sports pools such as col-
lege and professional football game pools—a nigh ubiquitous
aspect of American workplace culture and one not unknown to
Oklahoma residents—and other solicitation inconsistent with
the Respondent’s rule would be absurd. Further it would be
inconsistent with the credited testimony of first-hand witnesses
who described the conduct in persuasive detail. I explicitly find
the conduct occurred and that the Respondent’s agents, particu-
larly Obermark, knew or should have known of it. It is not
improbable that managers are willing to tolerate certain essen-
tially benign activities by employees, if they are not conducted
overtly, or in a manner overtly challenging to or contemptuous
of the company’s rules and if they can in effect avoid situations
where they are charged with direct knowledge of the conduct.

c. The law of enforcement of no-solicitation/
no-distribution rules

The parties were not in particular dispute about the relevant
law to apply to these elements of the complaint. Further, the
interesting evolution of the concept of an employer no-
solicitation rule as it may be applied to employee union activi-
ties is not relevant here for the Government is not challenging
the no-solicitation/no-distribution rule of the Respondent be-
yond the outside sign argument, rejected supra. A facially valid
no-solicitation/no-distribution rule, if consistently enforced and
applied to activities within its terms, may be applied to prohibit
union activities as well as other activities falling under the
terms of the rule. This element of the law is not in dispute. A
rule, howsoever facially valid, however, may not simply be
kept on the books and held in abeyance or reserve to be applied
only to union activities of employees. Nor may a facially valid
rule be applied so inconsistently or selectively that it is in effect
and practical application only a rule against employee union or
protected activity. Finally, the punishments or discipline meted
out under the rule must be proportionate to the conduct in-
volved, as compared to other applications of the rule, and not
treat employee union or protected concerted activities more
harshly because of the union or concerted aspect of the activity.
The Board in Hammary Mfg. Corp., 265 NLRB 57, 57 fn. 4
(1982), addressed the issue of consistency of a no-solicitation
rule’s application:

The Board and the courts consistently have held that an em-
ployer does not violate Section 8(a)(1) by permitting a small
number of isolated “beneficent acts” as narrow exceptions to
a no-solicitation rule. See, e.g., Serv-Air, Inc. v. NLRB, 395
F.2d 577 (10th Cir. 1968), on remand 175 NLRB 801 (1969);
Emerson Electric Co., U.S. Electrical Motors Division, 187
NLRB 294 (1970). Thus, rather than finding an exception for
charities to be a per se violation of the Act, the Board has
evaluated the “quantum of . . . incidents” involved to deter-
mine whether unlawful discrimination has occurred. See,
e.g., Serv-Air, 175 NLRB 801 (1969); Saint Vincent’s Hospi-
tal, 265 NLRB 38 (1982).

Further the Supreme Court in NLRB v. Burnup & Sims, 379
U.S. 21 (1964), made it clear that if an employee is discharged
for misconduct arising out of protected activity and that mis-
conduct never in fact occurred, the employer’s good-faith belief
that the conduct occurred is not a defense to the violation of the
Act. Thus, in considering the application of the no-
solicitation/no-distribution rule by the Respondent to those who
received discipline herein, the actual conduct engaged in by the
employees rather than what the Respondent mistakenly be-
lieved the employees were doing at relevant times will deter-
mine if the Act has been violated as alleged.
d. Analysis and conclusions respecting the Respondent’s rule
and its application to the employees’ March 1 activities
At the threshold I reject the argument of the General Counsel
that the Respondent so consistently ignored constant, ongoing
employee and supervisory violations of its no-solicitation/no-
distribution rule that the rule must be considered only an anti-
union activities’ rule and must be rejected as any part of a de-
fense to actions taken against employee union activity. As
found, supra, the Respondent’s managers had repeatedly ap-
plied its rule to both employees and supervisors in a variety of
settings and circumstances. The exceptions to its enforcement
as found above are further considered below.
I have found that employees and supervisors engaged in pro-
hibited solicitation under the rule on the factory floor on a regu-
lar basis when management, in effect, was not looking or at
least was not looking very hard. Further, I have found that
agents of the Respondent, including Obermark, were aware of
the existence of at least some prohibited employee activities
and did not act without exception to enforce the rule in such
situation. Applying the Board’s Hammary rule to those excep-
tions, I do not find the quantum of exceptions tainted or invali-
dated the rule. Rather, I find the tolerance or acquiescence of
the Respondent’s agents to some types of violations is a factor
to be considered in evaluating whether or not the rule was ap-
plied more rigorously to employee union soliciting activities
than other solicitations of employees.
Having found that the Respondent could apply the rule to un-
ion solicitation and distribution as it had to other solicitation
and distribution, it remains to be determined if the Respondent
in fact did so properly in administering the challenged disci-
pline. The issue of disproportionate application of punishment
or discipline for violations of the rule must be resolved on an
individual-by-individual basis. It is appropriate, therefore, to
turn to the individual employees disciplined under the rule.
(1) Employee Stephanie Almy
The Respondent suspended Almy on March 1 pending fur-
ther investigation and reinstated her with full backpay on
March 15 when Obermark concluded she had not in fact vio-
lated the no-solicitation rule. Under the teaching of NLRB v.
Burnup & Sims, supra. the Respondent violated Section 8(a)(1)
of the Act by suspending her for misconduct arising out of pro-
tected concerted and or union activities which misconduct in
fact never occurred.8

8 The Respondent argues the Respondent’s subsequent correction of
its “error” is sufficient and no violation should be found or remedy
directed. It is not clear that the Respondent’s records respecting the
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(2) Employee Charles Williams
As discussed above, employee Charles Williams described
two events on March 1. The first involved his asking two em-
ployees if they had made up their minds respecting the Union
and the second involved mentioning a union meeting to an
employee, which remark was overheard by and commented on
by a third employee. The employees Williams spoke to were
not in favor of the Union. Obermark testified that he had
learned and told Williams in their meeting on March 1 that he
had learned that Williams had offered two employees cards
away from his work area and that Williams had denied handing
out cards to employees but readily admitted he had solicited
employee support for the Union. Williams was suspended
pending further investigation and for conducting prohibited
solicitation.
On March 15, the Respondent determined that Williams had
in fact been soliciting at least one other employee during work-
time and that an appropriate punishment for this was a 3-day
suspension. Given that Williams had missed some 2 weeks of
work by March 15, he was immediately reinstated and paid
backpay for the period of his suspension save for the 3 days of
formal punishment.
Two separate issues arise from this series of events: first,
was the total suspension proper and, second, within that total
suspension, was the 3-day suspension proper. The total suspen-
sion, minus the 3-day suspension considered separately below,
is simply a reprise of the Almy analysis immediately above.
The Respondent’s March 1 to 15 suspension was simply too
great a punishment under the application of the rule’s history
under any analysis, including the Respondent’s own on March
15. A mistakenly harsh punishment for misconduct during
protected concerted or union activities violates Section 8(a)(1)
of the Act.
The second issue may be stated in its most refined form tak-
ing the Respondent’s March 15 findings respecting Williams as
true:9 Was it a permissible application of the Respondent’s no-
solicitation/no-distribution rule to suspend Williams for 3 days
for soliciting another employee while each was on worktime?
For the reasons which follow, I find the 3-day suspension in

suspension were expunged or that Almy was regarded thereafter by the
Respondent as never having been suspended for purposes of seniority
and benefit calculations. Further the Respondent, as discussed supra,
told employees that the disciplined employees had themselves and/or
the Union to blame. This false assertion to employees was admittedly
never corrected by the Respondent. Finally, the suspension itself could
not be undone and, even where reinstatement and a back-pay payment
has been made, the effect on the employee and other employees may be
reasonably considered to be lasting. Given all the above, I find no basis
to disregard the violation. The remedy will of course not include resto-
ration of benefits and wages already paid by the Respondent or interest
on such payments.
9 The conclusions reached herein would not differ if the solicitations
advanced by the Respondent as violations of its rule in the cases of the
disciplined employees other than Hubbard had not in fact occurred.
Therefore, it is unnecessary to resolve the discrepancies between the
employees’ testimony of the extent and nature of soliciting and distri-
bution and the Respondent’s evidence on the question. Were it neces-
sary to resolve these disputes, based on my evaluiations of demeanor
and resolutions of credibility as set forth in part elsewhere in this deci-
sion, I would credit the employees and find that their conduct did not
extend beyond that they each described. See, for example, my analysis
of the discipline administered to Thornton, infra.
such circumstances was not permissible and violated Section
8(a)(1) of the Act.
It is important initially to set forth what is not the basis for
finding a violation here. I have found the Respondent’s rule is
not improper either facially or as a result of its selective appli-
cation to employees’ protected or union activities. Thus, I find
that the Respondent could have invoked its no-solicitation/no-
distribution rule to command a halt to employee activities in
breech of the rule including worktime union solicitation and
distribution of authorization cards. Repeated violations of the
rule could have been punished by invoking proportionate disci-
pline for such repeat offenses by employees. The Respondent’s
workplace is for work and it may insure that this is so by proper
application of its rules.
What supports and sustains a violation here, in my view, is
the severity of the punishment administered and its dispropor-
tion to the conduct at issue when compared and contrasted to
the substantial history of the rules application to activities
which were neither protected concerted nor union activity. In
numerous other situations involving commercial product sales,
eleemosynary solicitations, and religious proselytizing,10 em-
ployees acting in violation of the rule were asked to stop their
conduct and did so without any other formal action or punish-
ment taken against the offending employee. Only the union
solicitation was punished without warning and with serious
discipline. On this record, I find that the Respondent was not
attempting to utilize its rule to stop solicitation. If it wanted to
do that it would have taken the same actions it had taken nu-
merous times before—ask the employees to stop. Rather, I find
the Respondent chose to make examples of the soliciting em-
ployees to chill support for the Union11 and to demonstrate to
employees that the Respondent held plenary power over their
employment and that supporting the Union could only cause
them harm.12 The Respondent’s no-solicitation/no-distribution
rule as it had historically applied it to solicitation to March 1
will not support or allow such a result.
The Respondent argues that the instant situation differed
from earlier situations where the rule was applied to direct the
cessation of individual employee activities without administer-
ing punishment in that the instant case involved many employ-
ees on the same shift at the same time engaging in parallel con-
duct. There might well be situations in which a significantly
different setting or context might provide a basis for new and
different levels of punishment. I do not find this to be the case
herein however. The conduct involved here for which disci-
pline was administered was not a coordinated, sustained course
of conduct. Williams readily admitted his simple solicitation,
and the Respondent thereafter confirmed but a single such ac-
10 To the extent it may be argued that union organizational solicita-
tion was a matter of controversy among employees and therefore might
be expected to be more disruptive than other types of solicitation, I
find such activity in that regard to be akin to proselytizing which also
has the potential to engender passionate feelings among those solicited.
In the one situation where such a proselytizing employee was told to
stop his activities, no further action or punishment was taken against
him.
11 See the discussion, infra, respecting the Respondent’s president’s
use of the punishment administered on March 1 to suggest that the
Union may well have “sacrificed” these employees.
12 In making this finding, I rely in part on my other findings here that
the Respondent was simultaneously engaged in a series of illegal ad-
dresses to employees disparaging the Union and wrongfully suggesting
the futility to employees of obtaining union representation.
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tion. The other disciplined employees, disregarding Hubbard
whose circumstances differ and are discussed infra, also en-
gaged in relatively benign and isolated acts of solicitation
which in their totality do not rise to a level of activity warrant-
ing a new and different punishment for the violations of the
rule.
Accordingly, based on all the above and the record as a
whole, I find that in suspending Williams, both initially for the
2-week period and thereafter in reducing the suspension to 3
days, the Respondent violated Section 8(a)(3) and (1) of the
Act.
(3) Employee Brad Powell
Brad Powell testified that he had had a single conversation
with another employee on Saturday morning during a period of
equipment downtime. Obermark testified that he learned that
Powell had left his assigned work station and gone to other
employees’ work stations to solicit employees to come to the
next union meeting while all employees were on worktime and
that, when braced with these reports, Powell agreed he had
been soliciting. Powell received a written warning for “[c]on-
ducting solicitation in violation of company regulations” and
directing him to “discontinue” the conduct.
While the punishment is not as severe as that meted out to
others on March 1, I find the Respondent’s conduct violative of
Section 8(a)(3) and (1) the Act. I reach this result in part from
the analysis set forth immediately above. Further, from Ober-
mark’s perspective, Powell, when told he had acted in violation
of the rule, freely agreed that he had and did not resist the cor-
rection. Powell’s conduct that morning, even if as assumed for
the purposes of this analysis to be as Obermark believed and in
violation of the rule,13 was not particularly disruptive nor pro-
vocative. Given the substantial and consistent history of infor-
mal dealing with first time violators who did not challenge the
Respondent’s authority, I find insufficient basis to justify the
departure from that consistent prior conduct herein.
Accordingly, based on all the above and the record as a
whole, I find that in issuing a warning to Powell the Respon-
dent violated Section 8(a)(3) and (1) of the Act.
(4) Employee Charles Thornton
Obermark testified that he learned that Thornton had solic-
ited another employee to attend a union meeting even after the
employee had expressed a lack of support for the Union.
Thornton denied ever doing so both at the hearing and in his
meeting with Obermark. Obermark’s information came largely
from Supervisors Coldiron and Tanner who related their own
observations and other employees’ reports. Tanner did not
testify about Thornton’s March 1 activities nor did Coldiron.
Because of the belligerence with which Thornton denied the
actions attributed to him by Obermark, I find that it would not
have been unreasonable for the Respondent to warn Thornton
not to continue his actions, if he had in fact engaged in the
conduct Obermark accused him of. Since Thornton denied that
he had engaged in such conduct, I find it is necessary to resolve
this factual dispute in order to determine if the Act was violated
as alleged.
I found Thornton to be a truthful witness with a convincing,
if somewhat belligerent or defiant demeanor. I credit his ver-
sion of his activities on March 1 over the substantive value of
the second-hand reports Obermark received from observers

13 See fn. 9, supra.
who did not testify as to their own observations. Obermark
could truthfully and persuasively testify as to what he was told
by others, but that does not sustain the accuracy of their out of
court, uncross-examined accounts. And, as discussed else-
where in this decision, I have doubts respecting the veracity of
at least some of the observers who reported to Obermark. I
find, therefore, that Thornton was not in violation of the solici-
tation rule on March 1. As noted, supra, under the Burnup &
Sims doctrine, Obermark’s beliefs respecting Thornton’s con-
duct are immaterial. The Respondent violated Section 8(a)(3)
and (1) when it issued a warning to Thornton for violating its
no-solicitation rule through his union activities when no such
violation of the solicitation rule on this record may be found to
have occurred. Accordingly, I sustain the General Counsel’s
complaint allegation.
(5) Employee Frank Hubbard
Obermark testified that he was informed that Hubbard was
perhaps the employee most active in traveling the plant and
soliciting employees. He also knew that Hubbard had an impor-
tant job checking on the product to be shipped to Vilter, a prior-
ity job, that should have prevented his leaving his work station.
Coldiron told Obermark that the Vilter job had not been com-
pleted and placed the blame on Hubbard.
Hubbard testified that he answered various calls for help
throughout the plant on the morning of March 1. Coldiron and
others, as discussed supra, testified that the urgency of the Vil-
ter job required that Hubbard forego lending such assistance
and concentrate on the Vilter job.
Hubbard was suspended on March 1. His consultation form
prepared that date indicates he was “conducting solicitation in
violation of company regulations.” On March 15 Obermark
reviewed the Respondent’s investigation of Hubbard’s conduct
and found his solicitation and distraction from the Vilter job
merited his discharge.
As with Thornton above, assuming the Respondent’s beliefs
respecting Hubbard were true, the Respondent may well be
justified in its discipline of Hubbard. The General Counsel
advances Hubbard’s version of events which are significantly
different from the Respondent’s. It is, therefore, necessary, as
in the instance of Thornton, supra, to resolve these conflicting
versions of what took place.
The Respondent’s rationale for the discharge is that Hubbard
was soliciting improperly and was “insubordinate” in not ex-
clusively attending to the Vilter job on March 1 which was in
consequence not finished in a timely manner. Substantial tes-
timony was received respecting the importance of the Vilter job
and the fact that the Respondent, its supervisors and Hubbard
all recognized its importance.14 The Respondent’s witnesses,
Supervisor Charles Conn, Conn’s supervisor and director of
quality assurance, Thomas Rappsilver, and Supervisor Dennis
Coldiron, all testified that Hubbard simply had no excuse or
rationale for leaving the Vilter job until its completion on
March 1 and that his admitted wanderings through the plant on
the morning of March 1, in conjunction with his concomitant
failure to complete the Vilter job, was a major act of insubordi-
nation on Hubbard’s part.
Frank Hubbard had a sound demeanor and seemed to me to
be testifying truthfully respecting his memory of events. So,
14 Not all this testimony was consistent. Hubbard testified he was
told on the telephone midday on March 1 by Supervisor Charles Conn
he did not have to finish the job. Conn denied this was so.
DECISIONS OF THE NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD 188
too, however, did Messrs. Conn and Rappsilver and they were
in the main corroborated by Coldiron. Given the uncontro-
verted importance of the Vilter job and the fact that it was
Hubbard’s assignment on March 1, I find the probabilities favor
the Respondent’s witnesses’ testimony that Hubbard was obli-
gated under all the circumstances to stay at the Vilter task and
not leave it. Whether or not Hubbard should be discredited or
rather a finding made that he was simply confused in his job
assignment on March 1 and did not understand what was ex-
pected of him, I need not decide. Rather, I find that the Re-
spondent had assigned the Vilter task to Hubbard and had a
good-faith belief that he was not dedicated to that very impor-
tant task on the morning of March 1. The Vilter job was not
protected activity to which the Burnup & Sims doctrine applies.
The General Counsel argues that the no-solicitation rationale
advanced by the Respondent is invalid and taints the entire
termination. Thus, the General Counsel takes the position that
Hubbard was fired for the argued violation of the no-
solicitation rule and, even if he should have been undertaking
the Vilter job, the improper invocation of the no-solicitation
rule—either based on a factual conclusion that Hubbard had not
violated the rule or based on an overly severe punishment for
his misconduct, sustains the violation alleged. The Board in
Wright Line, 251 NLRB 1083, 1089 (1980), enfd. 662 F.2d 899
(1st Cir. 1981), cert. denied 455 U.S. 989 (1982), established a
test for approaching discrimination allegations which was re-
cently restated in Manno Electric, 321 NLRB 278–280, fn. 12
(1996):

Under [the Wright Line] test, the Board has always first re-
quired the General Counsel to persuade that antiunion senti-
ment was a substantial or motivating factor in the challenged
employer decision. The burden of persuasion then shifts to
the employer to prove its affirmative defense that it would
have taken the same action even if the employees had not en-
gaged in protected activity. Office of Workers Compensation
Programs v. Greenwich Collieries, [114 S.Ct. 2251, 2257–
2258 (1994)], at 2258.

Assuming, without deciding, that the General Counsel has
met his burden of persuasion that an improper application of
the no-solicitation rule was a substantial or motivating factor in
Hubbard’s termination, and explicitly shifting the burden of
persuasion to the Respondent, it is necessary to consider the
argument of the Respondent that it would have fired Hubbard
for not completing the Vilter job in all events, even had there
never been an organizational drive at the Respondent’s facility
or had Hubbard never even been suspected of soliciting for the
Union.
Turning to that issue, and based on the record as a whole and
the mutually corroborative testimony of the Respondent’s wit-
nesses, I find that the Respondent would have fired Hubbard as
it did, even if there had been no union activity underway at the
Respondent and the Respondent had no belief that such activi-
ties were under way. Based on the credited testimony and the
record as a whole, I find that, irrespective of the union solicita-
tion issue, the Respondent: (1) regarded the Vilter job as criti-
cal, (2) regarded the completion of the Vilter job as Hubbard’s
responsibility on March 1, (3) concluded that Hubbard was not
obeying his superiors’ clear instructions in not devoting himself
exclusively to the Vilter job the morning of March 1 and finally
and most importantly, (4) regarded Hubbard’s failure as a dis-
chargeable offense independent of the solicitation issue. There-
fore, I find that the Respondent has not violated the Act with
respect to the discharge of Hubbard. Accordingly, I also find
that the General Counsel has not sustained the allegations of the
complaint respecting Hubbard’s suspension and discharge and
they shall be dismissed.
(6) The derivative complaint paragraphs
Complaint paragraph 5, subparagraphs b(ii) through (iv), al-
lege that Obermark told the employees named above that they
were disciplined for soliciting and handing out literature for the
Union. Since I have found, supra, that the Respondent’s disci-
pline of Almy, Williams, Powell, and Thornton was improper,
it follows that Obermark’s telling them they were disciplined
for soliciting support for the Union was itself a derivative viola-
tion of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act.15 The relevant allegations of
the complaint are sustained.
3. Complaint paragraphs 5, subparagraphs (c), (d), and (e)—
Respondent’s remarks to employees
Complaint paragraph 5, subparagraph (c), alleges that the
Respondent’s president, Dana Weber, violated Section 8(a)(1)
of the Act at employee meetings by “disparaging the Union,
stating that the Union sacrificed five employees whom Respon-
dent suspended for violating the [no-solicitation rule].”
As more fully set forth supra, there is no doubt that Weber
told two meetings of plant employees held to discuss the Un-
ion’s organizational efforts, the Respondent’s position on the
campaign and the discipline meted out on March 15. President
Weber told the employees in her remarks that the Union was
supposed to warn employees not to violate the Respondent’s
no-solicitation policy. She added: “So, either the Union failed
to warn them or encouraged them to violate the policy.” She
further recalled she told the employees that if, in fact, the Union
had either intentionally not warned the employees or had sug-
gested that they solicit employee support for the Union, in spite
of the Respondent’s no-solicitation/no-distribution policy, that
would mean that the disciplined employees “had been poten-
tially sacrificed by the Union for the benefit of the Union.”
The Respondent’s high official made these remarks in meet-
ings held by the Respondent to oppose the Union’s organizing
drive and to convince employees not to support the Union. The
speeches followed on the day after the three employees had
been suspended and two had been issued warnings by the Re-
spondent for violations of the no-solicitation rule. I have found
that four of the five acts of discipline were illegal actions of the
Respondent. Indeed by the Respondent’s own subsequent de-
termination, Almy’s suspension was simply wrong and Wil-
liams was over 10 days too long.
In reality, the discipline was not the result of the Union sacri-
ficing its supporters, but rather the result of the Respondent
illegally terminating and warning four of the five employees
involved. Thus, in a meeting called by the Respondent in order
to persuade its employees to oppose or at least withhold support

15 I have not determined whether or not Hubbard was improperly
suspended and discharged for solicitation inasmuch as I found he would
have received that punishment in all events for other conduct. There-
fore, it is not yet determined if Obermark telling him he was disciplined
for his solicitation also violated Sec. 8(a)(1) of the Act. In light of my
finding a violation with respect to the parallel conduct of the Respon-
dent to the other employees, resolving this issue would not add to the
type of violations found or the remedy directed. I shall, therefore, not
further consider that narrow allegation respecting Obermak’s statement
to Hubbard.
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for the Union, the Respondent’s president essentially blamed
the Union for causing adverse actions to be taken against the
employees who supported the Union which actions were in fact
with but a single exception the result of the illegal acts of the
Respondent.
Without citation of authority, the General Counsel argues
such disparaging conduct violates Section 8(a)(1) of the Act.
The Respondent argues the statements were simply Weber’s
opinion on a matter which employees were capable of evaluat-
ing for themselves and thus protected by Section 8(c) of the Act
citing Camvac International, 288 NLRB 816 (1988).
The Respondent’s argument fails on two grounds. First, the
statements of the Respondent’s president were not about a mat-
ter that employees were able to evaluate for themselves They
clearly had no way of knowing that the Respondent’s illegal
actions rather than the Union’s conduct underlay the bulk of the
discipline meted out by the Respondent. Second and, impor-
tantly, I find the statements were made in bad faith with a
knowledge of their less than complete truth.16 This is a critical
finding for the Board holds that where the employer “seized on
this incident as a pretext to disparage and undermine the Union
in the eyes of the employees”17 Section 8(a)(1) of the Act is
violated. I so find here.
Complaint paragraph 5, subparagraph (d), asserts that on or
about March 6, Dan Marrs told employees that bargaining
would start at ground zero and informed employees that it
would be futile for them to select the Union as their bargaining
representative. As discussed, supra, employees Wilkerson and
Scholey supported the complaint allegation. Supervisor Marrs
recalled using either the terms “bargaining started from ground
zero” or from “scratch,” but denied using those words in a con-
text suggesting employees would suffer loss of pay or benefits.
I found Wilkerson and Scholey sound witnesses. Marrs was
less persuasive and his explanation of his use of the terms at
issue was not convincing. Further, as noted supra, the Respon-
dent’s agent, Jordan, did not address this conversation in her
testimony and its agent, Spencer, did not testify. I credit the
two employees, discrediting Marrs where his version differs.
Having found that Marrs told employees that if the Union
came to represent them they would bargain from ground zero
and would suffer a reduction in wages and working conditions,
I further find that such remarks violate Section 8(a)(1) of the
Act. I therefore sustain this section of the amended complaint.
Complaint paragraph 5, subparagraph (e), alleges that Dennis
Coldiron on March 16 solicited employees who supported the
Union to quit their jobs, threatened employees with loss of
benefits if they selected the Union as their bargaining represen-
tative, told employees that in such circumstances wages would
start at the employees’ entry level pay and informed its em-
ployees that it would be futile to select the Union as their bar-
gaining representative.
These allegations were supported by Stephanie Almy, who
testified that Coldiron spoke to her at great length upon her
return to work following her suspension. Coldiron denied the
statements attributed to him and further denied that the rein-

16 For example, the employees who were suspended were suspended
pending further investigation. Two, thereafter, had their sentences
reduced. At the time of the contested speeches the Respondent well
knew that the matters were not established as described. And, of
course, as I have found above, in actuality, four of the five actions
taken were in violation of the Act.
17 Sheraton Hotel Waterbury, 312 NLRB 304 fn. 3 (1993).
statement conversation lasted as long as Almy described.
Trainer Brian Harmon, who works under Coldiron’s supervi-
sion, testified that he was asked to be present at this conversa-
tion by Coldiron as a witness and corroborated Coldiron as to
the conversation’s length and content.
The length of the conversation testified to by Almy seems
improbable to me and Coldiron’s denials of Almy’s attributions
were corroborated by Harmon. Even considering these factors
and the burden of proof the General Counsel bears on the alle-
gation, I credit Almy over Coldiron and Harmon. I found Almy
a highly credible witness with a very persuasive demeanor and
Coldiron the reverse. Harmon’s generally corroborative denials
respecting these contested events did not in my view tip the
scales against Almy on this record. On this series of events,
given the significant difference in demeanor of the witnesses in
context and the belief I formed respecting Almy’s memory and
truthfulness, I find the events occurred as she described them. I
discredit Coldiron and Harmon where their version of events
differs.
Having made these factual resolutions, the legal arguments
supporting the violation are not in serious dispute. The conduct
alleged in the complaint paragraphs noted occurred as alleged
and violate Section 8(a)(1) of the Act. I so find.
4. Complaint subparagraphs 6(d) and (e)—Thornton’s suspen-
sion and discharge
The events of March 14 and 15 and the Respondent’s inves-
tigation of those events and actions against Thornton based
thereon were in substantial dispute. There was no doubt that
the events all occurred in the context of Thornton’s support for
and solicitation of others to support the Union or that the Re-
spondent suspended and thereafter discharged Thornton for
alleged misconduct occurring during solicitation of support for
the Union. It seems at least initially relevant to determine what
actually occurred on those occasions.
a. The events of March 14
Thornton was continuing his habit of seeking support from
other employees for the Union in the breakroom on March 14.
Crediting Sparks unchallenged testimony about his exchange
with Thornton in the breakroom that day, I find that Thornton
asked Sparks if he wanted a union card. Sparks asked for a
card which Thornton gave him, at which point Sparks taking
the card, immediately ripped it up and threw it in the trash in
front of Thornton.
Thornton also had a conversation with Cold Draw employee
Shane Sartin in the lunchroom on March 14. Thornton did not
address the events of the 14th in his testimony. Sartin did not
testify nor did anyone else testify who was directly witness to
the Thornton-Shane events. As noted supra, Obermark testified
that in the Respondent’s investigation of the Sparks-Thornton
incident the next day Sartin reported on his exchange with
Thornton on March 14. Obermark recalled specifically:

And Shane told us that he felt he was losing his temper
so he got out and left because Thornton has a very intimi-
dating manner.
. . .
In the lunch room [Thornton] persisted with Shane
[Sartin] that he wanted Shane to attend the Union meet-
ings, and Shane told him he didn’t want to talk about it,
and Charlie persisted and, you know, in an intimidating
DECISIONS OF THE NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD 190
manner. And Shane felt that he was losing his self-control
so he got up and left.

The Respondent also obtained and maintained in its personnel
files a signed statement of Sartin about the events which, while
not offered into evidence by any party, contained Sartin’s writ-
ten assertion that Thornton had asked Sartin to vote for the
Union and that Sartin told Thornton to “stick it.” The statement
further asserts, “After I left the break room I was mad because I
didn’t want anyone thinking I was for a union. That is why I
told him to stick it.” Obermark, shown the document, sug-
gested that the quoted portion of Sartin’s statement’s “verbiage
does not adequately describe the atmosphere,” but did not sug-
gest that the Respondent was privy to a source of information
regarding the exchange other than Sartin. Nor was the remain-
der of the Sartin statement proffered as an exhibit or through
testimony.
b. The events of March 15
As described in greater detail above, there are strongly con-
flicting versions of the March 15 exchange between Thornton
and Mark Sparks. Most critical to the allegations of the com-
plaint is resolution of the questions of whether or not Thornton
used the disputed phrase “dumb nigger” and whether or not the
context of Thornton’s admitted statement to Sparks that he
would or should “kick the shit out of him” was from Spark’s
perspective an intimidating remark fairly taken as a threat of a
physical beating or rather as a jocular workplace exhortation
made in evident humor and good spirits and not reasonably
taken by someone in Spark’s position as threatening in any
manner.
Turning to the “dumb nigger” issue, having carefully re-
viewed the entire record and in particular the testimony and
statements of all the relevant witnesses regarding these events,
I find that the witnesses who testified they heard Thornton use
the term “dumb nigger” were mistaken. More particularly, I
find Thornton did not use those freighted words on March 15
for the following reasons.
There are several elements of the larger sequence of events
which lead me to this conclusion. First, Moton testified that
immediately after Thornton spoke the contested words to
Sparks—words that Moton testified he was certain included the
phrase “dumb nigger,” Moton turned to another employee,
Hedges, and asked Hedges what Thornton had just said.
Hedges responded, in Moton’s testimony that Thornton had
said “dumb and ignorant.” This testimony—as does his Board
affidavit—suggests that Moton’s certainty at trial respecting the
inclusion of the words “dumb nigger” in Thornton’s words to
Sparks was not evident immediately after their having been
spoken. Rather, the sequence of events casts doubt on Motin’s
veracity as a witness.
Second, the exchange itself between Sparks and Thornton as
testified to by Sparks and Moton has Thornton utter the original
insulting phrase then has Sparks ask Thornton several times
what he had just said. There is no dispute that Thornton finally
replied, “You heard me, you’re dumb and ignorant.” While it
could be argued that Thornton having initially used an insulting
but obviously prohibited phrase, had instant second doubts
about his conduct and quick to attempt to cover his tracks
thereafter denied using the term, I reject this argument as it
might apply to Thornton. Thornton struck me strongly as an
individual who, while impulsive and clearly willing to speak
roughly and act outside conventional proprieties, would be very
unlikely to suffer self doubts about such conduct or ever feel
the need to immediately retract or deny his earlier actions.
Thornton, it seems to me, based on this record, would very
much more likely brazen out his outrageous conduct rather than
attempt to conceal or deny it. Thus, if Thornton had called
Sparks a “dumb nigger” he would not have concealed that fact
seconds later before passions had cooled by claiming to Sparks
that he had rather used the words “dumb and ignorant.”
Perhaps closer to the heart of the matter, I found Thornton to
be a truthful witness who seemingly as a matter of world view
or personal self image would not shelter or shade his descrip-
tion of his conduct. While his demeanor was belligerent and
defiant on the stand and while he was willing to quibble and
disagree with his inquisitors as a witness, I was strongly con-
vinced of his willingness to tell what he recalled of events
without censuring his recollection to put his conduct in a better
light. I found Moton to be a far less convincing witness both
based on his demeanor and based on the evidence noted that
suggest that his convictions respecting what Thornton said only
came later, well after the event. I had a similar doubt respect-
ing Spark’s forthrightness as a witness.
Finally, consistent with the above analysis, I find it some-
what incongruous for one white man to call another a “nigger,”
an insulting pejorative of tragically wide use historically by all
races, but essentially without exception directed at black per-
sons. This is particularly true where there is no record sugges-
tion that Thornton or indeed any of the employees at the plant
used such language at the workplace in reference to individuals
of any race.18
Turning to the second critical element of the Sparks-
Thornton exchange, Sparks testified that at the end of their
conversation Thornton told him: “Come outside and I’ll kick
the shit out of you.” Thornton agreed that he made such a re-
mark, but suggested it was made with a smile and in a jocular
vein and that it produced from Sparks a similarly light-hearted
reply such as “bring your lunch if you’re going to take all year,
what Army, and stuff like this.”
Moton’s testimony on this point is highly relevant. He testi-
fied that as he was walking out of the area he turned to see what
was happening and observed that Thornton has returned to the
table and in a casual manner had his hands on Spark’s shoul-
ders, smiling. Moton testified he could not hear what the two
said at the time. Moton’s affidavit however recites:

I started out the door, Thornton walked over to Sparks and
said something to the effect I’ll kick the shit out of you. He
was smiling as he spoke. I do not recall Sparks saying any-
thing. Thornton grabbed his shoulders playfully just goofing
around, and I left at that point.

This evidence corroborates Thornton’s testimony. Based on it
and my substantial faith in the general veracity of Thornton’s
testimony, I credit Thornton over Sparks and find the “kick”
remark was made jocularly and that Sparks knew and evi-
denced in his jocular reply to the statement that Thornton’s

18 There was some evidence introduced of employee use of the word
in other contexts and an occasion of its use against a black man by an
employee who, in, suffered from the Respondents’ active disapproval
on learning of such conduct. These are, however, exceptions which
rather prove the rule that, happily, the term was rarely used as a racial
epithet to demean a black.
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remark was not serious or threatening.19 I also reach this result,
because I place little faith in Spark’s testimony. His demeanor
was not convincing. Further, Sparks was clearly both hostile to
Thornton and the Union before the exchange on the 15th.
Spark’s apparently unprovoked action of soliciting a union card
from Thornton and then ripping it up essentially in Thornton’s
face on the 14th suggests, if anything, that he was defiant of
Thornton rather than intimidated by him.20

c. Conclusions respecting Thornton’s suspension
and discharge

Having found that the alleged misconduct occurring during
Thornton’s ongoing solicitation of support among his fellow
employees for the Union that was the Respondent’s asserted
basis for Thornton’s suspension and discharge did not occur, I
further find the Respondent’s discharge and suspension of
Thornton for such misconduct in the course of protected activ-
ity violated Section 8(a)(1) of the Act irrespective of whether or
not the Respondent’s had a good-faith belief that the miscon-
duct occurred or that it warranted the discipline administered.
NLRB v. Burnup & Sims, Inc., 379 U.S. 21 (1964).
Given the Burnup & Sims doctrine, it is not necessary to
consider the belief of the Respondent to resolve the allegation
of the complaint. Were it necessary to do so, I would further
find that the Respondent did not in fact have a good-faith belief
that the misconduct of which Thornton was accused occurred or
that, had it occurred, it would have justified Thornton’s dis-
charge on the facts of this case. Obermark testified that Thorn-
ton’s intimidation of Sartin on the 14th and his conduct on the
15th were each factors in his discharge.21 The record gives no
suggestion that the Respondent had any other source of infor-
mation about Sartin’s contacts with Thornton other than Sartin
himself. Yet, Sartin’s statement, presumably prepared by and
certainly maintained by the Respondent, did not support the
Respondent’s conclusion that Sartin was intimidated by Thorn-
ton.
Further Moton’s version of events—and Obermark testified
that Moton reported to the Respondent—made it clear that
Thornton at the end of the March 15 conversation had walked
over to Sparks and, in a casual manner—”playfully just goofing
around,” while smiling, put his hands on Spark’s shoulders.
Thus, like Sartin, Moton’s report of the events does not com-
port with the version of events which Obermark testified he
relied on to take action against Thornton. Yet these two indi-
viduals, Sparks and Sartin, are by Obermark’s own admission
two of his primary sources of information. I simply cannot
accept that Obermark believed that Thornton, a longtime em-
ployee, was now suddenly a threatening and intimidating indi-
vidual who merited discharge based on these reports. Rather I

19 The ivory tower setting of the courtroom or the law library should
not deceive observers that industrial worksite conversations between
part-time policemen and Vietnam veterans have elements of coarse and
defiant or challenging language. As Judge Barker stated with Board
approval in Silver Bay Local 962 (Alaska Lumber), 198 NLRB 751,
761 fn. 29 (1973), when judging incidents regarding whether or not
employees were placed in fear of imminent or foreseeable physical
danger the context of the events must be borne in mind and that certain
locations and occupational processes “tend to screen out the timid or
faint of heart.”
20 The two men are not significantly different or disproportionate in
size.
21 Obermark recanted this testimony in his later examination. I
found this recantation unpersuasive.
find that, at best, Obermark selected bits of the reports and
wove them together into a tapestry of misconduct in an attempt
to justify the discharge of an active public supporter of the Un-
ion who had continued to support the Union and exhort other
employees to support the Union even after the Respondent’s
prior violations of the Act as described, supra.
Obermark, in a remarkable description of Thornton, sug-
gested that for his 13 years of employment Thornton, a Viet-
nam veteran who favored horrific stories of the carnage of that
war, had been consistently, indeed, ostentatiously belligerent,
erratic, and implicitly menacing at the workplace as a personal
affectation or style.22 Thornton, as characterized by Obermark,
had been sufficiently abhorrent in his behavior and conduct
with other employees for years as to have merited at least a
warning or other discipline simply for day-to-day workplace
menace and oddity. Obermark however testified that this overt
and repeated conduct had never resulted in the Respondent’s
discipline of Thornton until Obermark concluded from the
events on the 14th and 15th of March that “he was becoming
intimidating.” This scenario when viewed in the context of the
entire record in this matter strikes me as wildly improbable.
Obermark painted the picture of a man who had been seem-
ingly on the edge for years. The Respondent in effect had toler-
ated Thornton’s maelstrom for more than a dozen years and
was now suspending Thornton for creating a questionable
squall on March 14 and 15. Of course the challenging conduct
now involved solicitation of employee support for the Union.
Based on the entire record including consideration of Ober-
mark’s demeanor as a witness respecting this portion of his
testimony, I simply do not accept the truth of his disavowal of a
malign motive for suspending Thornton.23 Rather, I find that
the Respondent through Obermark seized on the events of
March 14 and 15 and used them as a pretext to discharge a very
public supporter of the Union who would not have been fired if
the conduct had not involved union activities. Such conduct
violates Section 8(a)(3) and (1) of the Act as alleged in the
complaint.
5. Complaint paragraph 5, subparagraph (f)—Obermark’s sur-
veillance of a union meeting
Complaint paragraph 5, subparagraph (f), alleges that on
April 4 Obermark drove slowly past the union hall at a time
when it was being used by the Union and the Respondent’s
employees for a union meeting and in so doing engaged in sur-
veillance of employees union activities. As noted, supra, there
was unrebutted mutually corroborative testimony sustaining
this allegation of the complaint. No evidence was offered by
the Respondent to deny, explain, or mitigate Obermark’s con-
duct. Based on this essentially uncontested event and the
Board’s long-standing prohibition of such conduct, I find that
the Respondent engaged in surveillance of employees’ union
22 For example, Obermark testified about Thornton:
I have seen him bite at bolts and nuts while he was working. If
someone—if a group of people, particularly production people, were
around him, people that did not understand him, he would like bite at
bolts and nuts or act like he’s chewing nails.
23 The Respondent argues that Thornton’s failure to assert his inno-
cence in his meeting with Obermark beyond crude global denials sup-
ports the Respondent’s decision to terminate Thornton. I agree but do
not find the support sufficient to overcome the very substantial evi-
dence commanding the opposite conclusion.
DECISIONS OF THE NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD 192
activities in violation of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act. I sustain
this allegation of the complaint.
6. Summary
In summary, I have found that the Respondent did not violate
Section 8(a)(1) of the Act as alleged in complaint subpara-
graphs 5(a) and 5(b)(i) by incorporating a general prohibition of
all solicitation as posted on exterior signs at the plant into the
Respondent’s employee no-solicitation, no-distribution rules.
These allegations of the complaint will be dismissed.
I have found that that the Respondent did not violate Section
8(a)(3) and (1) of the Act as alleged in complaint paragraphs
6(a) and (c) or 5(b)(ii), (iii), or (iv) respecting Frank Hubbard.
These complaint allegations or portions of allegations will be
dismissed.
I have found that the Respondent violated Section 8(a)(1) of
the Act as alleged in complaint paragraphs 5(b)(ii), (iii), and
(iv) respecting employees Almy, Williams, Powell, and Thorn-
ton, and paragraphs 5(c), (d), (e), and (f). These complaint
allegations or portions of allegations are sustained.
I have found that the Respondent violated Section 8(a)(3)
and (1) of the Act as alleged in complaint paragraphs 6(a) as to
employees Almy and Williams, Section 6(b), (c), (d), and (e).
These complaint allegations or portions of allegations are sus-
tained.
THE REMEDY
Having found that the Respondent has violated the Act, I
shall direct it to cease and desist therefrom, and take certain
affirmative action in order to effectuate the purposes and poli-
cies of the Act, including the posting of a remedial notice con-
sistent with the Board’s recent modifications to its standard
remedies in Indian Hills Care Center, 321 NLRB 87 (1996).
I shall direct the Respondent to rescind the March 1997 dis-
cipline administered to employees Stephanie Almy, Charles
Williams, Brad Powell, and Charles Thornton and offer imme-
diate reinstatement to employee Charles Thornton. The Re-
spondent shall be directed to make each individual whole, with
interest, for any and all losses of wages and benefits the em-
ployees would have received, but for the Respondent’s wrong-
ful discipline of them. The make-whole remedy shall be calcu-
lated in accordance with F. W. Woolworth Co., 90 NLRB 289
(1950), and Florida Steel Corp., 231 NLRB 651 (1977), with
interest, as prescribed in New Horizons for the Retarded, 283
NLRB 1173 (1987).
I shall further order the Respondent to delete and expunge
from its records all references to the relevant discipline of these
employees and notify each of them in writing that this has been
done and further assure them that the fact of their discipline
will not be used against them in future.
CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
1. The Respondent is and has been at all relevant times, an
employer engaged in commerce within the meaning of Section
2(2), (6), and (7) of the Act.
2. The Union is a labor organization within the meaning of
Section 2(5) of the Act.
3. The Respondent violated Section 8(a)(1) of the Act by en-
gaging in the following acts and conduct:
(a) Disparaging the Union to employees by falsely telling
them that the Union was responsible for the discipline and dis-
charge of four of the Respondent’s employees on March 1,
1997.
(b) Telling employees that if the Union came to represent
them bargaining would start from ground zero or would start at
employees’ entry pay levels, and that it would be futile for
them to select the Union as their bargaining representative.
(c) Telling employees who supported the Union to quit their
jobs.
(d) Threatening employees with loss of benefits if they se-
lected the Union as their bargaining representative.
(e) Engaging in surveillance of employees’ attendance at un-
ion meetings.
(f) Telling employees improperly disciplined for their union
activities that they had been punished for soliciting employee
support for the Union and handing out union literature.
4. The Respondent violated Section 8(a)(3) and (1) of the
Act by engaging in the following acts and conduct:
(a) Issuing written warnings to employees Brad Powell and
Charles Thornton.
(b) Indefinitely suspending employees Charles Thornton,
Stephanie Almy, and Charles Williams.
(c) Discharging employee Charles Thornton.
5. The unfair labor practices described above are unfair labor
practices within the meaning of Section 2(6) and (7) of the Act.
6. The allegations of the complaint not specifically found to
violate the Act above are without merit and shall be dismissed.
[Recommended Order omitted from publication.]