PPG Industries, Inc.Download PDFNational Labor Relations Board - Board DecisionsAug 27, 1980251 N.L.R.B. 1146 (N.L.R.B. 1980) Copy Citation 114(, DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD PPG Industries, Inc., Lexington Plant, Fiber Glass Division and Chauffeurs, Teamsters and Help- ers Local Union No. 391, affiliated with Inter- national Brotherhood of Teamsters, Chauffeurs, Warehousemen and Helpers of America. Cases 11 CA-7573, 11-CA-7805, 11-CA-7846, and I I-CA 7928 August 27, 1980 DECISION AND ORDER BB CHAIRMAN FANNING AND MEMBERS JIENKINS AND TRUESDALE On November 5, 1979, Administrative Law Judge Hutton S. Brandon issued the attached Deci- sion in this proceeding. Thereafter, Respondent filed exceptions and a supporting brief. The Gener- al Counsel also filed exceptions and supporting briefs, and the Charging Party filed cross-excep- tions and a supporting brief. Pursuant to the provisions of Section 3(b) of the National Labor Relations Act, as amended, the Na- tional Labor Relations Board has delegated its au- thority in this proceeding to a three-member panel. The Board has considered the record and the at- tached Decision in light of the exceptions and briefs and has decided to affirm the rulings, find- ings,' and conclusions 2 of the Administrative Law Judge and to adopt his recommended Order, as modified herein. The complaint alleges, inter alia, that Respond- ent unlawfully interrogated employees by inquiring as to their union sympathies and their reasons for supporting the Union. The Administrative Law Judge dismissed all but one of these allegations, finding that several of the allegedly proscribed conversations were not established by credible evi- dence and that the remaining discussions were not 251 NLRB No. 156 coercive. With regard to the inquiries found to be not coercive, he noted that the questions were ad- I Respondent anid he General Counsel have excepted to certain credi- bility findings made by the Adminisirati e Lass Judge II is the Board's established policy not to overrule an dministratise las judge's resolu- tions with respect to credibility unless the clear preponderance of all of the relevant idence convintces us that the resolutions are incorrect Standard Dry Wall Prduct. Inc. 91 NI.RB 544 1950). efd 188 F2d 362 (3d Cir 1951) We have carefuily I examined thie record and find no basis fi r reersing his findings IF our dissenting colleague's accout of th e fact, surrounditng employ ee Bedsole's discharge were supported by Ihe recird, we s ouId agree that Bedsole's terimninall n iolated Sec S(a)(3) f the Act Heer. e are unable ti recoticiI t e dsent' versi ii s everal crucial particulars ssith tit e esidei a credied te Admniisilrati e I a, Judge Initially with regardl II Beldsole's miisconduc, Respolldel t require(d cnpl'o.ees Iti take their 10-minute breaks at scedlled irriies ad ill designated areas unless eplotees obtall id pelnl llisilni to ary lrom this prIcedure he credited eiderlice slIn ss that ledsl e ias disco r crd sleeping i a c eluded area of the plant I ) minuteis the r hiis break was .cheduled to end BIedlsile. wo il had slh asked for pernirssioti (i lake his break in a w,ork a.rea, had to e a akcncd Supervlisil Ilartlei, and ( 0,scns I lie sper · stiors did not tell Bedstole that he was due for termiliallt. hut ilifrrnied him that sleepig ,n the job was againil colnpan plilcy and that he should report o Area Supervs shr Willial lr ir l ile day As for the disellt'% clai Ithatl edsole a tile cait lti disparate treatmeinl, thle Adminislr;ii: e Il as J udge rejected seseral alleged i- stances of undiscipe lied epig on the job ecause the e idcncC failed Ito establish tha ciplIOees slepl lIIo ssl'rktime r tha;t Respondetll kne of the ilfractioi r lsI addit l, Iild e Adnllmisallli e I. as Judg e discounted a i incident of aln cmplove's' ",nitilg" ` on her feet as nt comparable t Bed- sole' s rnlsconduci i I i act. lie record coitrlain ily ne example if at etlpl)cc Ili)t l1 pit il te job ill irirllsaices resembling Bcd,,ole' and as rlot ilisharge d he c\diderlce isso shol s , ho. wleer. that Respolldenlt terruinated 4 plotces i the pasl It) y ears Fior sleepig on the iob I vitew o Rspti Idcnll ' record iIIn Iis area and the s eriousness of Bedsole's miscoididulI. e til [tfat It' decslIon to reprilianld, rather than discharge. one lther mplNce for s leeping ilt orkti me cltes not estahlish that it treated Bedsole il a disparate manlier I lie Admttuistrati e l a J udge. re ltng tin ('erntilid Groters J Cal- jrniam, Ltei, 227 Nl RB 121 1 11')7). cfinrrcitent denied 57 F 2d 449 th Cir q978). ioncllddcd Ihall R espondent iolated Sec (a)(1) of the Act h b derming epioe S ith's rquest for representation at a nieeting whichl resulted il disciplitnar actilon agalll st Smith Siltibbers Jeinkins and 'Iruesda lr i gree itl tile AdmitiIati Ve l.a Judge's cclu,itnri, but rely onit thl principles enunciated inl B aton Rouge ater iStrk Coiparnrev, 246 NLRB No 161 1 97)9 . ir hich a Board majority overruled rtjied (;rot r ill substantial part aild found that no Sec 7 right tii unill repre- settialtion exists under ,V L.R B. J H'tngarten. In. 420 U S 251 (1975), lhenl a;it etmiployer meets lth ani employee slely Io inform him of a presiously made. finial ecisiotl to impose certain discipline Unlike the eplo r in t Bat.i Riouge, Respundell did nt reach a final. binding decision concerliing specific discipline prir to its meeting with Smith. norr did it merely inirn Smith of a decision In filt. Responden origi- nally Iold Smith lie w:as discharged. but changed the discipline to a writ- tent rprimanld uponl isestigatll g tlie nalter further anrd asking Smith questlilois about his alleged nmriscndu ct Chairman Fanlrliing also agrees that Respondenlt ullafully compelled Sith to attend meeting after denying his request fir represenltaiol, hut does s fr Ihe reasons ex- pressed ill his disseit in Baton Roug. IIPG INDUSTRIES, INC. 1147 dressed to open and well-known union supporters and therefore were mere conversation openers under Stumpf Motor Company, Inc.,3 and B. F Goodrich Footwear Company.4 We affirm the Administrative Law Judge's dis- missal of the interrogation allegations where based solely on his credibility findings. As to the allega- tions dismissed as not being violative under Stumpf and B. F. Goodrich, the evidence as credited by the Administrative Law Judge shows that Foreman Godwin discussed the Union with employee Hepler at the latter's work station and asked her what she thought the Union would do for employ- ees. Later that same day Foreman Michaels ap- proached Hepler and solicited her thoughts about what the Union would accomplish. Foreman Hart- ley asked employee Lanning whether he would still be for the Union if he had it to do over again. Hartley repeated the question after Lanning failed to respond and asked it once again when Lanning said he would still support the Union. Hartley also asked Lanning if he had had an opportunity to sign a petition for a new election. Foreman Gibson talked to employee Potts about unions and asked her why she was for the Union. The record further shows that Hepler, Lanning, and Potts were active and known supporters of the Union and were wearing union insignia at the time of their conver- sations with the supervisors. The Administrative Law Judge found the inquir- ies to Hepler, Lanning, and Potts to be privileged under Stumpf and B. F. Goodrich. Those cases found questions concerning employees' union sym- pathies to be not coercive in view of the employ- ees' open and active support for the union and the absence of other threats in the conversations. We have recently held, however, that inquiries of this nature constitute probing into employees' union sentiments which, even when addressed to employ- ees who have openly declared their union adher- ence, reasonably tend to coerce employees in the exercise of their Section 7 rights.5 We have further found such probing to be coercive even in the ab- sence of threats of reprisals or promises of bene- fits.6 The type of questioning at issue conveys an employer's displeasure with employees' union ac- tivity and thereby discourages such activity in the future. The coercive impact of these questions is not diminished by the employees' open union sup- port or by the absence of attendant threats. Ac- 3 208 NLRB 431 (1974) 4 201 NL RB 353 (1973) s 17T Automotive Ectrrcal Productr Divr:won. 231 NLRB 878 (1977): Paceco. a Division Fruehuuj Crporanton, 237 NLRB 399 (1978). Ana- conda Co--Wre and Cable Div, 241 NIRB 1091 (1979) See also Esex Wire Corporation 188 NLRB 397 (1971) 6 Paceco and Anaconda Co.. upra. cordingly, we hereby overrule Stumpf and B. F. Goodrich to the extent they hold that an employer may lawfully initiate questioning about employees' union sentiments where the employees are open and known union supporters and the inquiries are unaccompanied by threats or promises. We find that Respondent violated Section 8(a)(1) of the Act by questioning union adherents Hepler, Lanning, and Potts about their union sympathies and reasons for supporting the Union.' We also disagree with the Administrative Law Judge's findings that statements by Supervisor Charles Everhardt concerning the cancellation of expansion plans and by Supervisor McGirt regard- ing the discharge of employee Drake were not co- ercive. Employee Watts testified that during a dis- cussion about the phasing out of a roving depart- ment product Everhardt stated that, in his opinion, Respondent planned to open a new weaving proc- ess in Lexington, but "because of what had hap- pened, they didn't think that they would." Ever- hardt did not deny Watts' account of the conversa- tion. The Administrative Law Judge stated that it was reasonable to construe Everhardt's comment "because of what had happened" as a reference to the union election or campaign, but found the remark not to be coercive because it merely repre- sented the opinion of a low-level supervisor. Con- trary to the Administrative Law Judge, we find that in the circumstances Everhardt's reference to the Union as the reason for the cancellation of ex- pansion plans reasonably tended to coerce employ- ees and violated Section 8(a)(l) of the Act. We do not consider the opinion nature of Everhardt's statement nor his status as a low-level supervisor to be conclusive since employees can reasonably assume that Everhardt is privy to the decisions of Respondent's management. Further, Everhardt's comment, which was made in the course of exten- sive unlawful activity by Respondent, unequivocal- ly tied the cessation of expansion plans to the advent of the Union. With respect to McGirt's conversation with Wilcox, the Administrative Law Judge credited Wilcox's testimony that McGirt confirmed Wil- cox's statement that McGirt had "lost an operator due to union activity or soliciting for the Union." McGirt identified the operator as Drake and stated that she was discharged for "following another person to their job, talking to them about the Union." Wilcox replied that it appeared Drake should have known better and McGirt agreed, adding that Drake was one of his best employees. We adopt the Administratime l.av Judlge' dl ,nis;ll Il htc illcrrogal- tion allegallons w ith respect lo emplo, !c Bcd,orlc land Black, hill. ill doing so, rely solely on his credihlit', fimlidng, PPG INDUSTRIES, NC. 147 , . 114X DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD The Administrative Law Judge found that McGirt's statements were consistent with Respond- ent's asserted reason for discharging Drake, i.e., in- terference with another employee's work, and did not imply that Drake was terminated solely for her union solicitation or activity. The Administrative Law Judge also found that Wilcox's remark that Drake should have known better indicated an awareness by Wilcox, based on McGirt's com- ments, that Drake violated work rules. We dis- agree. McGirt's comments plainly implied that Drake's discharge was related, at least in part, to her activity on behalf of the Union. The credited evidence shows that McGirt not only confirmed Wilcox's statement linking Drake's discharge to her union solicitation, but he again mentioned Drake's union activity while describing her alleged miscon- duct. We do not believe that Wilcox's statement that Drake should have known better necessarily reflects an understanding that Drake had in fact violated work rules. Consequently, we find that McGirt's remarks implying that Drake's union ac- tivity was related to her discharge reasonably tended to discourage employees from engaging in legitimate union activities and violated Section 8(a)(l) of the Act. AMENDED CONCLUSIONS OF LAW Substitute the following for Conclusion of Law 3 of the Administrative Law Judge: "3. By unlawfully interfering with, restraining, and coercing employees by threatening to cease plant expansion plans because of their election of the Union, by threatening employees with loss of jobs in the event of their organization by the Union, by interrogating employees concerning their union sympathies and activities, by soliciting employees to withdraw their union authorization cards, by soliciting grievances of employees and promising employees benefits to discourage their union support, by threatening employees that it would refuse to negotiate a union contract and would sell out, by threatening employees with plant closure in the event they elected the Union, by threatening employees with more onerous working conditions because of their union support, by more stringently enforcing work rules to dis- courage employees in their union support, by in- forming employees that an employee was dis- charged for union activities, by requiring that em- ployees participate in employee interviews or meet- ings without representation where such representa- tion had been requested by an employee and rea- sonable grounds exist for a belief that the matters to be discussed at the meeting may result in disci- plinary action, and by actually imposing discipline at such meeting, Respondent engaged in unfair labor practices in violation of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act." ORDER Pursuant to Section 10(c) of the National Labor Relations Act, as amended, the National Labor Re- lations Board adopts as its Order the recommended Order of the Administrative Law Judge, as modi- fied below, and hereby orders that the Respondent, PPG Industries, Inc., Lexington Plant, Fiber Glass Division, Lexington, North Carolina, its officers, agents, successors, and assigns, shall take the action set forth in the said recommended Order, as so modified: 1. Substitute the following for paragraph l(b) of the Administrative Law Judge's recommended Order: "(b) Threatening employees with loss of jobs be- cause of their union activities or their selection of a union as a collective-bargaining representative." 2. Substitute the attached notice for that of the Administrative Law Judge. MEMBER JENKINS, dissenting in part: Contrary to my colleagues, I find that the facts surrounding the discharge of known union support- er Ronnie Bedsole establish that the motivating cause for his discharge was not a single incident of sleeping on the job, but his ongoing union activity. The Administrative Law Judge found that Crew Foreman Hartley, who engaged in other unlawful conduct, discovered Bedsole asleep a few minutes after the end of a scheduled 6 a.m. break during the midnight to 8 a.m. shift. Hartley sent Bedsole home and told him to report back later to see an- other company official who, under Respondent's standard operating procedure, performed the formal act of discharging employees. There was evidence that other employees had been discharged for sleeping on the job. On the other hand, there was credited evidence that em- ployees caught sleeping on the job, even in circum- stances strikingly similar to Bedsole's had not been discharged. In defending Bedsole's discharge, Re- spondent took the position, properly rejected by the Administrative Law Judge, that such an offense was automatically terminal. The diverse treatment of this offense shows that an element of judgment usually preceded the final disposition. By treating Bedsole's discharge as automatic, thus depriving him of whatever measure in his favor such factors as his length of service, satisfactory rating, and the absence of previous offenses might have afforded, Respondent demonstrated that union supporters were particularly vulnerable to discharge. It did so ---- - PPG INDUSTIES. INC 1140 at a time when it was engaging in other interfer- ence with its employees' right to organize, includ- ing the discriminatory discharge of Bedsole's fian- cee and fellow union supporter, Donna Black. Re- spondent's treatment of Bedsole as well has all the elements of 8(a)(3) discrimination. APPENDIX NOTICE To EMPI.OYEES POSTED BY ORDER OF THE NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD An Agency of the United States Government The National Labor Relations Board having found, after a hearing, that we violated Federal law by discharging employees for supporting a union and by otherwise interfering with our employees' right to join and support a union, we notify you that: WE WILl. NOT threaten employees with ces- sation of plant expansion plans because of their selection of Chauffeurs, Teamsters and Helpers Local Union No. 391, affiliated with Interna- tional Brotherhood of Teamsters, Chauffeurs, Warehousemen and Helpers of America, or any other labor oragnization. WE WILL NOT threaten employees wih loss of jobs because of their union activities or their selection of a union as a collective-bar- gaining representative. WE WILL NOT interrogate employees con- cerning their union sympathies and activities. WE WILL NOT threaten employees that we will refuse to negotiate a contract with a union and will sell out if they select a union to repre- sent them. WE WILL NOT threaten employees with plant closure in the event they select a union. WE WILL NOT threaten employees with more onerous working conditions because of their union support. WE WILL NOT unlawfully solicit employees to withdraw their union authorization cards. WE WILL NOT solicit grievances from em- ployees or promise them benefits to discourage their union activities and support. WE WILL NOT more stringently enforce work rules to discourage employees in their union support. WE WILL NOT require that any employee participate in an interview or meeting where the employee has reasonable grounds to be- lieve that the matters to be discussed may result in his being the subject of disciplinary action and where we have refused that em- ployee's request to be represented at such meeting, and WE WILL. NOT actually impose disciplinary action at such meetings. WE wlI. NOT discourage activities on behalf of the above-named Union, or any other labor organization, by discharging or issuing written reprimands or otherwise discriminating against any employee. WE WILl. NOT in any like or related manner interfere with, restrain, or coerce employees in the exercise of the rights guaranteed them in Section 7 of the National Labor Relations Act, as amended. WE WILL offer Terri Drake immediate and full reinstatement to her former job or, if her former job no longer exists, to a substantially equivalent position, and WE Will. offer Donna Black immediate reinstatement to a job sub- stantially equivalent to her former job and for which she is qualified and physically able, the reinstatement with respect to both Drake and Black to be without prejudice to their senior- ity or other rights and privileges, and W- WILL make them whole for any loss of earn- ings or benefits they may have suffered by reason of the discrimination against them, plus interest. WE WILL revoke and expunge from their personnel and other records the written repri- mands of Velma Hepler and William Parks which were found to be discriminatorily issued. WE WILL revoke and expunge from his per- sonnel and other records the written repri- mand of Hugh Smith dated October 18, 1978, which was issued following our denial of his request for representation at a meeting at which he could reasonably anticipate disciplin- ary action. PPG INDUSTRIES, INC., LEXINGTON PLANT, FIBER GLASS DIVISION DECISION STATEMENT OF THE CASE HUTTON S. BRANDON, Administrative Law Judge: This case was heard in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, on February 12-16, February 26-March 2, and March 14-16, 1979. The charges were filed by Chauffeurs., Teamsters and Helpers Local Union No. 391. affiliated with International Brotherhood of Teamsters, Chauf- feurs, Warehousemen and Helpers of America, herein called the Union, in Case 11-CA-7573 on April 18, 1978' (amended April 20); in Case 11-CA-7805 on August 15 (amended August 28): in Case I -CA 7846 on i All dates are in 178 i)' lcS m l hcr,, r% tatcd PI'G INDUSTRIES. INC I l ... \ I 15() I)ECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD September 7; and in Case I l-CA 7928 on October 20. The complaint in Case I 1-CA-7573 issued on June 28 and orders consolidating cases and consolidated com- plaints issued on the subsequently filed charges on Octo- ber 6 and 19 and December 5. The consolidated com- plaint, amended at the hearing on February 12, alleges that PPG Industries, Inc., Lexington Plant, Fiber Glass Division, hereinafter called the Respondent or the Com- pany, violated Section 8(a)(1) of the National Labor Re- lations Act, as amended, herein called the Act, through various and numerous acts of its supervisors and agents which interfered with, restrained, and coerced its em- ployees, and Section 8(a)(3) and (1) of the Act through the discharges of three employees (Terri Drake, Ronnie Bedsole, and Donna Black) and the issuance of written warnings to two employees (William T. Parks and Velma M. Hepler), all because of their activity on behalf of the Union. Upon the entire record," including my observation of the demeanor of the witnesses, and after due considera- tion of the able and helpful briefs filed by the General Counsel, the Respondent, and the Union, I make the fol- lowing: FINI)ING(S oF FACT I. JURISDICTION The Respondent is a Pennsylvania corporation with facilities located in North Carolina, including a plant in Lexington, North Carolina, herein involved, where it is engaged in the manufacture of fiber glass products. During the 12-month period preceding issuance of the last consolidated complaint, the Respondent received at its Lexington plant goods and raw materials valued in excess of $50,000 directly from points outside North Carolina. During the same period, the Respondent shipped products valued in excess of $50,000 directly to points located outside the State. The Respondent admits, and I find, that it is an employer engaged in commerce within the meaning of Section 2(6) and (7) of the Act. The Respondent also admits, and I find, that the Union is a labor organization within the meaning of Section 2(5) of the Act. II. TIlE A IE.1G I) UNFAIR ABOR PRACTICES A. Background The Respondent's Lexington plant is a large facility covering some 27 acres and utilizing some 1,700 employ- ees in its operations. The work force is divided into three rotating shifts (crews) and one regular day shift. The Union's organizational campaign at the Lexington plant began in early March. The first meetings between the Union's organizer, Vicki Saporta, and certain of the Respondent's employees took place at the Lexington Holiday Inn on March 8. The campaign was overt from the beginning, and employees at the March 8 meetings received union decals, badges, and bumper stickers to either distribute further to the Respondent's employees 2 I'he Ge(neral Counsel's unopposed motion to correct the transcript, dated June 12, 179, is granted and received in evidence as GC. Exh 51. or to wear on their person or display on their vehicles. The customary union authorization cards were signed by a number of employees at the initial and subsequent meetings, and some were named by the Union to an "in- plant organizing committee." The Respondent was ad- vised by letters from the Union from time to time of those named to the organizing committee both at the ini- tial meetings and subsequently. The Respondent was thus aware early of the identity of the union supporters and was thereby able to conduct a detailed and comprehen- sive analysis ("Union Umbrella Committee Profiles") of the Union's support by plant department, shift, age, sex, etc. The Union's organizing efforts apparently found quick support and the Union filed a petition seeking an elec- tion, Case 11-RC-4508 on March 27. A hearing on the petition was held on April 18 and 19, and a Decision and Direction of Election in the matter was issued by the Re- gional Director on June 7. An election was conducted on July 6 and 7 and a majority of the valid ballots cast were for representation by the Union. However, the Re- spondent filed objections to the election which were overruled by the Regional Director in a Supplemental Decision and Certification of Representative on Septem- ber 12. A request for review of that decision was grant- ed. On November 27, the Board directed a hearing on certain objections of the Respondent and a hearing was conducted on January 9-12 and 15-19, 1979. Recommen- dations by the Hearing Officer on those objections had not issued prior to the time that the hearing in the instant cases closed. As could be expected during the course of the cam- paign, a number of employees opposed the Union's ef- forts and supported the Respondent. Such support was marked by the wearing of pro-Respondent T-shirts, rib- bons, and buttons. Moreover, such supporters, like the union supporters, engaged in distribution of literature at the Respondent's plant gates. It is in the context of this organizational campaign that the Respondent's alleged unfair labor practices took place. While a substantial number of the alleged viola- tions took place prior to the election, the election did not mark the end of the alleged discriminatory acts and un- lawful interference by the Respondent according to the General Counsel. However, because the allegations of 8(a)(l) violations are so numerous and are attributed to so many different supervisors of the Respondent treat- ment of such allegations chronologically would be un- wieldy and perhaps more confusing. Accordingly, con- sideration of the allegations will be set forth below sub- stantially in the order such allegations appear in the con- solidated complaint. PPG INDUSTRIES. INC. 1151 B. The Alleged Violations of Section 8(a)(l) I. The alleged offer of money to employees to revoke union authorization cards The General Counsel presented a number of it- nesses3 who testified that "C" Crew Foreman Rudolph Hartley, in a preshift 4 meeting with employees on March 10, offered to "give" or "pay" employees $5 for any union authorization card they could get returned to them by the Union. The statement was made, according to one of the General Counsel's witnesses, Motes, in the context of a talk to the entire crew consisting of some 200 em- ployees. Hartley admitted in his testimony that he discussed the signing of union cards with employees at the preshift meeting, but related that it was in the context of telling the employees that they should read what they sign and suggesting that many might have signed their cards in the parking lot of the plant in the dark without reading them and "probably already would like to get their cards back." Hartley admittedly added that "I bet you can't get them back, I would almost be willing to give $5.00 for any card that you can get back." Hartley's version of his comments were substantially corroborated by several employee witnesses presented by the Respondent. s In addition, two other supervisors, Lindsay Owens, assistant foreman in the finished prod- ucts area, and Martha Scott, end-finding foreman for the "C" crew, testified that Hartley's remarks regarding the $5 "offer" or "bet" were prefaced by the words "almost," or "almost willing." I have considered the testimony of both groups of wit- nesses on this issue. Both groups testified with apparent sincerity and honesty. As could be expected, both groups of witnesses exhibited varying degrees of faulty recollec- tions concerning Hartley's comments and, predictably, there were variances between witnesses within each group as to Hartley's exact wording. The Respondent's witnesses were generally emphatic that Hartley's "offer" or "bet" was a limited one restricted by his use of the word "almost," while the General Counsel's witnesses were generally as emphatic that Hartley used no words of limitation. Under these circumstances, I am not per- suaded that the versions of either group of witnesses is more reliable or accurate than the other. It cannot be said, therefore, that the General Counsel has proven by a preponderance of the evidence that Hartley made either a direct offer of $5 for each card returned from the Union or a direct $5 bet to induce the withdrawal of union cards.6 3 Employees Ronnie Bedsole, Donna Black, Doris Coates. Robert Motes, Lida Smalley, Medford Shoaf, Bobbie Alice Wilcox, and Jerr Williams. 4 Preshift meetings were customary and were utilized by the Respond- ent to discuss production problems and schedules and to make announce- ments regarding work. 5 Dorothy Bailey, Meioa Brewer, Mary Ann Fritz, Annie Ruth Burr. Catherine Graber, Florence King. Dorothy Mills, Lilly Owens. Vickie Poole, Doris Smith, and Rita Williams s The General Counsel has the burden of proof and must make out a sufficient case to persuade See A.44 Lapco. Inc.. 197 NLRB 274 (1972). and authority cited therein at 277 The General Counsel urges, nevertheless, that even if Hartley prefaced his "offer" or "bet" with the term "almost" or "almost willing" such language implies an intent by Hartley to "put up money" which could be tested only by an employee seeking return of his card by the Union. The test of interference under the Act, the General Counsel reminds, is whether the conduct may reasonably be said to have a tendency to interfere with the free exercise of employee rights and is not dependent upon successful effect. 7 On the other hand, the Respond- ent in its brief argues that the use of the word "almost" by Hartley removes any question of an actual offer of money for cards or financial inducement to employees to seek their return. Because Hartley stopped short of an outright "offer" or "bet", I am convinced that his comments cannot rea- sonably be construed as an unlawful inducement of em- ployees to seek the return of their Union authorization cards. Contrary to the General Counsel's contention, I do not view Hartley's statements as reflecting an intent to "put up money" or as calling for a test by employees to determine whether he was going to "put his money where his mouth was." Rather, in context, it appears that Hartley's remarks were simply directed toward causing employees to exercise caution in signing the cards be- cause of the difficulty in obtaining the return of such cards in the event of a changed mind. I conclude they had no reasonable tendency to interfere with employee rights. Accordingly, I do not find that the Respondent violated Section 8(a)(1) of the Act through Hartley's March 10 statement to the assembled crew. s8 2. The alleged threat to cease plant expansion The consolidated complaint, as amended, alleges that three of the Respondent's supervisory personnel, Charles Everhardt, a "D" crew supervisor at relevant times, Jerry Strong, an employment supervisor in the personnel department, and Monroe Kennedy, assistant foreman in the forming department, threatened employees with the cessation of plant expansion because of employee support for the Union. It was admitted by Plant Manager James Doughty, called as an adverse witness by the General Counsel, that the Respondent had been for a few years contemplating the addition of a new furnace for its fiber glass production to be designated the 510 furnace in se- quential order with the existing furnaces, 501 through 509. Doughty added, however, that there was no active "510 program." There was other testimony from Dough- ty that the Respondent in recent years had acquired ad- ditional land in Lexington. On the other hand, at some point in the summer of 1978, the Respondent shipped 7 Hartley testified that no one attempted to take him up on any bet in connection with the cards. and there was no evidence to contradict that testimony I make this finding with due regard to the fact that, at the same meeting in which he made the admitted remarks, Hartley made available to employees an announcement prepared by the Respondent purportedly in response to employee questions on union card cancellation and advis- ing employees how they could seek cancellation or withdrawal of their union cards The General Counsel concedes the legality of the language utilized in such announcement, but alleges that its distribution was unlau- ful as discussed infra PPCI INDUSTRIES. N 1151 1152 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD some of its equipment related to the production of a par- ticular glass fiber referred to as K-37 to its sister plant in Shelby, North Carolina, some 200 miles away. In August the Respondent also ceased an additional function re- ferred to as its "wet chop" operation, and transferred that operation to Shelby. While the changes in the K-37 and wet chop operations were not shown to have had an adverse impact on the Respondent's employees, these changes in addition to the contemplated 510 furnace and the land acquisition provide the background in which the Respondent's alleged threats must be considered. Employee Linda Ridge, a doffer packer in the roving department under Everhardt's supervision, testified that in late July she heard from another employee that the Respondent was going to phase out the roving depart- ment. She thereafter inquired of Everhardt when he came by her work station if he knew anything about it. Everhardt, according to Ridge, said that that was what he had been told. Moreover, Everhardt added that he had been told that Frank Green, Respondent's vice presi- dent, had been told by the board of directors that they were going to put a "hold" on all construction work at the plant; they were not going to rebuild a furnace that was down.9 Everhardt, who related to Ridge that he had heard this at a "bossman's meeting" a couple of days ear- lier, added further that "they" told him that the Re- spondent was not going to support a plant that had a union in it. Ridge also related that she saw Everhardt later that day in the break room in the presence of employee John Tesh. In the conversation, Everhardt repeated essentially the same things that he had told Ridge on the plant floor. Everhardt concluded, according to Ridge, "PPG was not going to support no union." Everhardt denied having made the statements attribut- ed to him by Ridge, although he admitted having talked to her about a rumor she had heard. According to Ever- hardt, he told Ridge in response to a statement that she had heard that because of the Union the K-37 work was being sent to Shelby. He had replied that it was simply a product change which had nothing to do with the Union.1 0 Employee Tesh denied that he had ever heard Everhardt talk about plant expansion with Ridge. I credit Ridge's testimony as to what Everhardt told her in late July. Ridge, although exhibiting some confu- sion as to exact statements, created the impression of honesty in her testimony and it was clear that Ever- hardt's remarks had an obvious and lasting impact on her. Moreover, since she was still employed by the Re- spondent at the time of the hearing and was, in effect, testifying perhaps at some economic risk, her testimony Ridge related that Everhardt referred to the 509 furnace as being down. No evidence was submitted to establish that 509 was in fact "down" at that time, thus suggesting that Ridge was in error. Even though Ridge may have been in error on the furnace, I find that such error does not adversely affect her overall credibility. '0 Ridge testified that on June 24 Everhardt had told her that the K- 37 product was being transferred to Shelby because Shelby ran a better "roving product" than Lexington He also made the same statement in several prior preshift meetings with employees. was less likely to be false." Everhardt in his testimonial demeanor was less convincing. The same may be ob- served of Tesh who could not in any event be consid- ered as wholly impartial since his interests were clearly aligned with that of the Respondent as shown not simply by his outspoken support of the Respondent during the Union's campaign but also by the fact that he was admit- tedly under active consideration for promotion to a su- pervisory position at the time of the hearing. Based on Ridge's testimony, I find that Everhardt did threaten a cessation of plant expansion plans because of the pending union question, a move that clearly had an impact on employee job interests. Accordingly, I find that, by Everhardt's remarks to Ridge, the Respondent violated Section 8(a)(1) of the Act. Cathy Watts, an employee in the roving department working under Everhardt, testified that on July 24 Ever- hardt announced at a preshift meeting that the K-37 product handled in roving would be phased out. Subse- quently on August 7, when talking to Watts at her work station, Everhardt told Watts, according to Watts, that Frank Green was coming to the plant to discuss future plans for the roving department and recommendations were going to be made to cut back seven creel tenders and two doffers on each crew, and he again reminded her that the K-37 products were going to Shelby. Watts testified that on August 15 she again talked to Everhardt on the work floor and asked him if she could see Green when he came and explained to Everhardt she wanted to know why the K-37 was being phased out. Everhardt replied that he had been told that the reason was because they had set up a new weaving device in Shelby and the K-37 products were going to Shelby for that reason. Further, Everhardt stated that "this was his own opin- ion, but all of the land that they recently bought up in Lexington, he thought that they were going to open up a new weaving process in Lexington but because of what had happened, they didn't think that they would." Everhardt did not specifically deny the comments at- tributed to him by Watts. Based on Watts' testimony the General Counsel contends that Everhardt's remarks con- stituted a threat of cessation of expansion plans, and that the stated basis for such cessation, "because of what had happened," can be only construed as a reference to the election won by the Union. The Respondent argues that there was no evidence that anyone ever had any reason to suspect or speculate that a new weaving process would be installed at Lexington, and under such circum- stances it would be unreasonable to infer that Watts could have been coerced by Everhardt's remarks which were nothing more than his own speculation and opin- ion. I find that the inference that Everhardt was referring to the union election or campaign when he indicated that the weaving process was not being installed "because of what happened" is a reasonable and logical one. I further find, in agreement with the Respondent's argument, that since Everhardt's remarks were clearly stated in terms of ' Victor Wukils d/b/a Vicr Shop'. Save, 215 NLRB 28 (1974); Geor- gia Rug Mill, 131 NLRB 1304. 13 05 (19l), modified on other grounds 308 F.2d 89 (5th Cir. 19762). PPG INDUSTRIES, INC. 1153i his own opinion he did not profess to have inside infor- mation on the matter. Accordingly, and because of his status as a low-level supervisor, it is unlikely that his remark could realistically be perceived as a threat by em- ployees. I find it had no potential for coercive impact and that Everhardt's opinion did not therefore constitute a violation of the Act. Cathy Watts also testified concerning a conversation she overheard between Employment Supervisor Jerry Strong and employee Tesh in the break room around July 26-28. 2 Watts testified Tesh advised Strong of rumors "flying around" that there was not going to be any more expansion at PPG. Strong responded that that was what the rumor was and stated that what happened was that the Respondent had put "all expansion on hold until they see how this thing turns out." In making the latter remark, according to Watts, Strong pointed to "up- stairs" where Labor Board people were talking to "people" that morning.13 The conversation turned to a speech given by Frank Green and Tesh commented that the Respondent did not pour any money into its union- ized plants. 14 Strong replied that "that is what the man tried to tell them," and added that he did not blame Green, and that, if it were his company, he would do the same thing." Finally, Watts related that Strong also said that "they were looking more seriously to Texas," and "they had a rumor going around that they were going to open up a new company in Texas."' 5 Strong denied discussing plant expansion with Watts or indicating that the Respondent would not do anything about plant expansion until the National Labor Relations Board matter was over. Moreover, he could not recall any conversations with Tesh about plant expansion. Tesh likewise testified that he had never talked to Strong about plant expansion. I credit Watts on the incident. In so doing, I note that both Strong and Tesh had admitted talking to employees about plant expansion, and that Strong admitted that he had told one employee that he had heard the rumor that the 510 furnace was being put on "hold." Strong did not deny the rumors and it was not improbable that he would pass them on. Moreover, Watts appeared sincere in her testimony, and her testimony was not implausible in view of the rumors. Finally, Tesh admitted that he had a cup of coffee with Strong in the roving break room the morning of July 27 or 28 before being inter- viewed in the plant by a Board agent. This tends to cor- roborate Watts' testimony as to the time and place of the remarks. Accordingly, in agreement with the General Counsel's contention, I conclude the tenor of Strong's re- marks was that plant expansion was being delayed be- cause of the pending union matter and the Respondent did not put money into unionized plants. Such comments 12 Watts identified employee Sadie Leverez as being present. Leverez did not testify ': The record does not reflect how Watts was aware that Board per- sonnel were in the plant, but the fact of such presence or the approximate time of such presence was not disputed by the Respondent '' It is undisputed that the Respondent operates several plants whose employees are represented by labor organizations. s That the Respondent had some plans regarding a Texas plant is not disputed Details of its plans in this regard, though proffered bhy the Re- spondent, were rejected h me as irrelesanl during the pendancy of a representation issue amounts to a threat of economic reprisal to employees which tends to coerce and restrain employees in their exercise of Sec- tion 7 rights. I find Strong's comments violated Section 8(a)(1) of the Act. Employee Roger Stevens testified that he had a con- versation with John Tesh about 2 weeks after the elec- tion in which Tesh stated that the union supporters had really "messed up." Tesh related that there had been a meeting the previous day in which Vice President Green had announced that the Lexington plant was being phased out, that expansion funds were canceled, and that a Texas plant would be completed by 1980, at which time Lexington would be phased out. Stevens related that the same day he approached Foreman Monroe Ken- nedy about the matter and inquired if Kennedy had had a good meeting with Green the previous day. Kennedy replied that it looked pretty grim. Stevens asked Kenne- dy about the expansion funds for the 510 furnace and Kennedy replied that "510 had been scuttled." Kennedy inquired about the plant in Texas and Kennedy respond- ed that it had been approved and they were starting to build the plant. Stevens then commented that if they phased out Lexington a lot of employees in Lexington would be going to Texas to work. Kennedy replied that he did not think that they wanted any Lexington people in Texas. Stevens testified that Kennedy did not state that he had attended the meeting with Green, but indi- cated the Respondent's plans related by Kennedy to Ste- vens had been announced by Green. While Kennedy denied the remarks attributed to him by Stevens he did admit that Stevens had come to him and asked him about a meeting with Green about the completion of the 510 furnace, about the removal of the "wet chop" operation, and about the establishment of a Texas plant. Kennedy had stated he had not attended a meeting with Green and told Stevens he had no informa- tion regarding his other questions. Considering the testimony and demeanor of Stevens as opposed to Kennedy, I credit the latter. Kennedy was clear and very precise in his recollection of Steven's in- quiries, and his denials of the remarks attributed to him by Stevens were emphatic. Moreover, there is no other testimony in the record that any other employee was told that the Lexington plant was going to be phased out. Accordingly, I find that the Respondent did not vio- late the Act through the remarks of Kennedy. 6 3. The alleged threats of job loss for union activity The General Counsel presented two witnesses, em- ployees Ann Hill and Connie Sexton, who testified about an alleged threat of Robert McGirt, "B" crew foreman, made in the break room in late June. Sexton related that i' It is unnecessary to decide whether Tesh made the remarks allribut- ed to him by Kennedy. Tesh was not shown to be supervisor or agent of the Respondent at the time of the alleged conversation with Stevens. nor was he shown to otherwise he pri'y to the Respondent's operational plans. I find irrelevant the testimony of Nick Baker to the effect that he was present in a conversation between Tesh and Stevens reg~arding plant expansion in which the Union was not mentioned In an eeni. it is not clear that Baker was describing the same conversation ahoult which Ste- vens testified PPG INDUSTRIES, INC. 1154 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD she, Hill, and fellow employees Gay Burkehardt, Mil- dred Burkehardt, and Carolyn Blevins were sitting in the break room discussing the union, when McGirt joined the conversation and said "these people will be sorry after the election when they are out walking the street, but I am not going to feel a bit sorry for them." Hill tes- tified McGirt said that people "who were pushing the Union when they were out walking the streets, he wouldn't be sorry either that he would be sitting back laughing at them." The Respondent presented McGirt, who denied the specific comments attributed to him by Sexton and Hill. In his version, when he approached the group they were talking about the Union's picketing another place of busi- ness with the help of some of the Respondent's employ- ees, specifically Velma Hepler, and McGirt commented that he did not feel sorry for anybody who was walking the picket line because that was their choice. McGirt's testimony was supported by that of Gay Burkehardt, Mildred Burkehardt, and Catherine Daniel. Gay Burke- hardt testified that she had stated that she had seen Hepler offer union organizer Saporta a drink of water while the two were on a picket line established at a local restaurant and Saporta had poured it out. Burkehardt then indicated she felt sorry for Hepler. It was at this point that McGirt made his remark to the group discuss- ing the matter. I credit McGirt's version of his remarks since he was corroborated by Gay and Mildred Burkehardt and Cath- erine Daniel, who appeared to be credible. Sexton and Hill were unable to supply the exact context in which McGirt's remarks were made. Sexton, in particular, was unconvincing in demeanor and demonstrated a poor rec- ollection. Accordingly, I find no violation of the Act in McGirt's remarks on this occasion.e 7 It was the testimony of employee Sandra Hollings- worth that she attended the first Union meeting in March and immediately after the meeting went to the Respondent's parking lot to pass out union cards. She was wearing at that time union buttons signifying union support. She observed Foreman Charles Godwin in the parking lot. Hollingsworth continued to pass out union material in the plant parking lot during the 2-day break period she had before returning to work. When she did return to work on March 10, she inquired of Godwin about why she had been moved from her previous work position as a sliver handler on the 508 furnace. Her testi- mony as to Godwin's response was equivocal. She attrib- uted to Godwin three different responses. Thus, she said he replied with a question about whether she knew what she was doing or what she was getting into or what was she doing "out there." ? I make this finding with due regard to the extreme union animosity revealed by McGirt's admission that he had told some employees that union supporters should be lined up against the wall and shot The impact of the statement was somewhat tempered on further examination by McGirt's explanation that the reference was to a newspaper article in- volving union representatives who had embezzled union funds rather than employee union supporters. In any event, the statement was not al- leged or argued by the General Counsel as a violation of the Act. Subsequently, on another occasion, after Terri Drake' 8 had been discharged on March 13, Godwin dis- cussed Drake's discharge with Hollingsworth. Godwin, according to Hollingsworth, stated he hated that it had happened, he knew Drake was a good worker because she had worked for him at one time, and he liked her, but then he told Hollingsworth, apparently referring to Drake's discharge, that it could have been Hollings- worth. It is not clear from Hollingsworth's testimony whether Godwin made additional remarks in this particu- lar conversation or in another one on the same subject. In any event, Hollingsworth testified that Godwin talked to her about her being the "bread winner" for her family' 9 and about the "load" she was carrying. He told her that if she wanted to be for the Union that was her right, but that she should not have made a show of her- self whereby the Company would know that she was for the Union and that she should have just kept it to herself where they would not have known it. Moreover, Godwin, referring to Drake, stated that PPG was big enough and powerful enough so that Drake would not get her job back, and PPG could drag the thing through the courts for up to 5 years before anything could be done. Godwin denied the specific remarks attributed to him by Hollingsworth, although he conceded that he was well aware of her relation to Drake and had seen Hol- lingsworth pass out union material. He denied that he knew of Hollingsworth's marital status, and, alt h ough he admitted that he had talked to Hollingsworth about Drake, he testified that it was based upon Hollings- worth's inquiry and he had told her he had no informa- tion with respect to Drake's discharge. Moreover, Godwin testified he had not talked to any employee about the Union because he knew from prior experience with another employer how statements got "turned around." Although Hollingsworth's testimony set no example for clarity, she conveyed the impression of sincerity, and I am persuaded that the remarks she attributed to Godwin were not contrived or false. Godwin's broad as- sertion that he did not talk to any employees about the Union was hollow and unconvincing. The Respondent contends that, even crediting Hol- lingsworth's testimony, no violation has been established. In support of this contention, the Respondent relies pri- marily upon Las Vegas Sun, 209 NLRB 240 (1974), and Gibson Greeting Cards Inc., 205 NLRB 239 (1973). 1 find the cited cases distinguishable. In the first cited case, the foreman issuing the alleged threat found not to be viola- tive of the Act by the Board was considered by the em- ployees hearing the threat to be sympathetic to their cause. Moreover, there was an absence of any pattern of unfair labor practices by the employer. In the second cited case, the employees hearing the alleged threats tes- tified that they did not consider them to be threats. In the instant case, there is no concession by Hollingsworth '" Employee Drake is Hollingsworth's sister. Her discharge is alleged to be an unfair labor practice and is discussed infra. I" Hollingsworth is a divorcee with children and had recently pur- chased a new home PPG INDUSTRIES, INC. 1155 that she did not consider Godwin's remarks to be threat- ening, nor did she concede that Godwin was sympathetic to the union cause. Godwin's remarks may have been subtle but I believe the coercive impact was inescapable. Hollingsworth was not likely to miss the point of God- win's references to her family situation, his warning in reference to Drake's discharge that it could have been Hollingsworth, and his warning that Hollingsworth should not display her union support to management. I find, as alleged, that Godwin's remarks to Hollingsworth constituted a threat of discharge for continued union sup- port, and the Respondent thereby violated Section 8(a)(1) of the Act. The General Counsel presented Carrey Gosnell, em- ployed as a glass winder on the "A" crew by the Re- spondent, who testified that he was approached by Forming Foreman John Jones at work around July 4, and Jones told him that he had heard from a good source that they would like to get rid of Gosnell. Gos- nell inquired who it was and Jones refused to mention any names but stated "it came from the front office." Jones added, "I would suggest that you watch what you say, what you do, and who you talk to." At the time, Gosnell was wearing his T-shirt signifying his union sup- port. Moreover, Gosnell had been listed in the first group of persons in the in-plant organizing committee sent by the Union to the Respondent on March 9. Gosnell testified further that on or about September 20 Jones, whom he described as a friend and golf compan- ion, came by his work station and told him that he wanted to warn Gosnell again; that Jones had attended a meeting with supervision and they were trying to find ways to counteract the union situation at PPG with re- spect to the "A" crew. Jones stated, according to Gos- nell, that "they" had the names of four employees on a list Gosnell and employees Eugene Perriman, David Dockery, and maybe Charles Mabry. Finally, Jones stated that he just wanted to tell Gosnell so that he could take it for what it was worth. Similar statements were attributed as being Jones on September 20, by employee David Dockery. Dockery related that Jones approached him and Eugene Perri- man 20 and told them he had a warning for them, adding that he had just come from a supervisors' meeting that they had at the "front," that names were mentioned, and that if "they" could get rid of certain people they could counteract the Union. Jones said that all he was doing was giving them a warning because he had worked with them. Jones denied that he had attended any supervisory meetings at which names of employees were mentioned in connection with union activity. Moreover, Jones in- sisted that he did his utmost to remain neutral in the union matter and had very few discussions with anyone pertaining to the Union. He denied the specific com- ments attributed to him by Gosnell in July and Septem- ber. He likewise denied Dockery's testimony. I found Gosnell to be a clear and straightforward wit- ness with good recall. I regard him as credible. Dockery was a much less impressive witness and equivocated with 20 erriman was not called as a witness by any party herein respect to the date of the conversation with Jones as well as the content of the conversation. Nevertheless, the similarity between the comments attributed to Jones by Gosnell and those attributed to Jones by Dockery sup- ports the conclusion that Jones made the remark to Dockery. Moreover, Jones was not convincing in his denials of his comments to Gosnell or Dockery. His contention that he attempted to remain neutral is not inconsistent with his giving Gosnell or Dockery a "friendly warn- ing." I therefore credit Gosnell and Dockery. Considering the foregoing, I find on the credited testi- mony that Jones did warn Dockery and Gosnell about their union activities and did tell Gosnell of the Re- spondent's desire to be rid of him for his union activities. The Respondent argues again, however, that even ac- cepting Gosnell's testimony no violation is established because of the friendly relationship between Jones and Gosnell and Gosnell's admission that he regarded Jones' remarks as that of a friend offering advice. I find the ar- gument to be without merit. While Gosnell may have considered Jones as a friend, Jones was communicating to Gosnell a determination of management. The coercive impact of the threat is obvious and was not diminished simply because communicated by a friend. I therefore find that Respondent violated Section 8(a)(1) of the Act through Jones' statements to Gosnell and Dockery as al- leged. Finally, with respect to the alleged threats of dis- charge, employee Neil Perrell, who had been hired on June 12 and who worked as a conveyor operator in the fabrication department on the "A" crew, testified that he talked to Ruth Everhardt, a foreman in fabrication, on the last of June about the Union. According to Perrell, he said something to Everhardt and Everhardt replied that "if the Union did get in, there would be a lot of people looking for jobs." While Perrell could testify to nothing else either he or Everhardt said, he recalled her "exact words" because he was a new employee and it scared him. Ruth Everhardt denied the remark attributed to her by Perrell. Moreover, she denied ever having talked to him about anything, and she testified that she would have had no occasion to talk to him because he was not under her supervision and not in her area. Because Everhardt in relating her denials was very persuasive, because Per- rell was not able to place Everhardt's remark in any kind of context, because it is unlikely that Everhardt would make such a remark to a new employee ineligible to vote in the election set for July 6, and with whom she had extremely little, if any contact, and, finally, because no other remark of a coercive nature was attributed to her by any other credible employee, I credit Everhardt's de- nials. Accordingly, I find Respondent did not violate Section 8(a)(1) of the Act through Ruth Everhardt as al- leged in the complaint. 4. The alleged unlawful interrogation Several instances of unlawful interrogation by nine of Respondent's supervisors is alleged in the complaint. Thus, employee Velma Hepler, a sliver handler, testified I'PG INDUSTRIES, INC. 1156 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD that, about the middle of June, Foreman Godwin talked to her at her work station about the Union and asked what she thought the Union would do for the employ- ees. Hepler replied that she was strong for the Union and thought it was the only thing that would help the plant. Godwin told Hepler he had been a union steward previ- ously and he asked her if she would go out on strike if it came down to a strike. Hepler replied that she certainly would. Then in the same conversation Godwin inquired if Hepler knew that a lot of good people were going to be hurt before this "thing" was over. The conversation continued for about an hour according to Hepler. Hepler further testified that shortly after Godwin's comments above and on the same date, she was ap- proached by Jerry Michaels, "B" crew foreman in the forming department, who talked to her about the Union at her work station and who "wanted to know what my thoughts were concerning what the Union would do for us." More specifically, Hepler related that Michaels asked what she thought the Union would get for the em- ployees, whether she really knew what she was getting into, and if she thought that the Union was going to do anything for the employees. Both Godwin and Michaels denied the allegations in Hepler's testimony. Assuming that Godwin and Michaels did ask Hepler the questions attributed to them, I would find no unlawful interrogation based thereon. At the time of the alleged interrogation, Hepler was an outspoken and vigorous union supporter. Her union sympathies were a well known fact and her membership on the or- ganizing committee had been related to the Respondent by a letter from the Union dated March 9. Moreover, Hepler had worn a "Go Teamsters" button in the plant beginning 2 days after the first union meeting in March. In fact, she was admittedly wearing union insignia at the time of the alleged questioning by Godwin and Michaels. Under these circumstances, the questions attributed to Godwin and Michaels about how she felt about the Union may be regarded as mere conversation openers with no coercive impact. Stumpf Motor Company, Inc., 208 NLRB 431 (1974); B. F. Goodrich Footwear Company, 201 NLRB 353 (1973). There remains the additionally alleged inquiry of Godwin whether Hepler knew that a lot of good people were going to be hurt before this "thing" was over. The General Counsel alleged, and argued, that Godwin's remark constituted a threat of retaliation because of em- ployee union support. I have previously discredited God- win's testimony that he talked to employees about the Union. Nevertheless, I am not persuaded that Hepler was a sufficiently reliable witness to base a finding of the al- leged violation on her testimony. At times Hepler was a very unresponsive witness who had to be reminded sev- eral times to respond to the question asked rather than reply in areas not asked about. At other times her re- sponses were oblique and evasive, and it frequently ap- peared that she was testifying regarding her impressions rather than directly quoting statements made to her. Moreover, she impressed me as being angry and defen- sive. Accordingly, I do not credit Hepler's testimony on Godwin's alleged threat and find no violation of the Act in this regard. According to former employer Ronnie Bedsole, 2 Foreman Rudolph Hartley in early May came up to Bed- sole in the waste house and asked Bedsole why he wanted to vote for the Union when he could not see how it would help the Company. Bedsole responded that he believed in the Union because his father had been a member for 25 years. Nothing further was said. Hartley's version was that in early March Bedsole told him that a "little girl" tried to get him to sign a union card and he had responded with a proposition. Hartley said he laughed about Bedsole's remark, but a couple of weeks later observed Bedsole wearing a "Smiley Badge" indicating union support. Hartley told Bedsole that the girl must have accepted Bedsole's proposition and pro- ceeded to talk to Bedsole about the Union, but denied asking why he wanted to vote for the Union. Bedsole, on rebuttal, denied talking to Hartley about cards and the proposition referred to by Hartley. He did not deny that he was wearing a "Smiley Badge" on the occasion of his discussion with Hartley. Bedsole was, in fact, an outspoken union supporter, and was named as a member of the in-plant organizing committee in the Union's March 9 letter to the Respondent. I was impressed by Hartley's clear recall of the matter, and his version was not implausible. Further, I found him a more convincing witness than Bedsole, and I therefore credit his testimony on the matter and find no unlawful interrogation. Even accepting Bedsole's ver- sion, and given Bedsole's open and well-known union support, I would not find the alleged interrogation to be coercive. Stumpf Motor Company, Inc., supra. Hartley was alleged to have also unlawfully interro- gated employee Jesse Lanning. Thus, Lanning testified that on September 2, as he was washing his hands in the waste house and talking to Hartley about another job, Hartley asked him if Lanning had it to do over again would he still "be union." Lanning apparently did not immediately respond and Hartley repeated the question. Lanning replied, "Sure, I would," but then, as he was walking to another location with Hartley, Hartley re- peated his question a third time and, apparently after a second affirmative response from Lanning, laughingly stated that "I didn't believe you would." Lanning further testified that about October 11 Hart- ley came up to him and asked him if he had had an op- portunity to sign the petition, a reference to a petition for a new union representation election which was being circulated by employee Ruth Brown. Lanning remarked that he did not think that Hartley was supposed to ask that kind of question, and Hartley asked "Why." Lan- ning answered that it sounded like Hartley was "solicit- ing" him. With respect to the alleged September 2 incident, Hartley denied that he had ever asked Lanning if he had it to do over again would he still be union. He admitted, however, that he had had many conversations with Lan- ning, an avid union supporter, about the Union, and had joked with him concerning their wearing T-shirts reflect- ing their respective support of the Union and the Re- 2l Hedsole's discharge hby the Respondcn in August was alleged as violative of the Act and is discussed inJra. PPG INDUSTRIES, INC I157 spondent. He also admitted that he had asked Lanning about whether he had had a chance to sign the petition circulated by Ruth Brown. While Lanning exhibited some confusion on cross-ex- amination and even in his prehearing statement as to whether Hartley asked him in the first related conversa- tion if he still had it to do over again would he still "have gone union," have voted for the Union, or "be" for the Union, I nevertheless was impressed by his testi- monial demeanor and find him to be credible when weighing his testimony against Hartley's. In this instance, since Hartley's inquiry were repeated, it is not likely that Lanning would have forgotten the matter. '2 The General Counsel contends that, even in light of the friendly relationship existing between Hartley and Lanning, Hartley's questioning of Lanning was coercive, particularly when Hartley directed Lanning to answer. The October inquiry by Hartley about Lanning's "oppor- tunity to sign" the petition was clearly a "device to as- certain the current sympathies of Lanning toward a union," according to the General Counsel. I do not concur in the General Counsel's position. Hartley's Sep- tember questions were hypothetical in nature and innoc- uous in view of Lanning's continued union support. Lan- ning admitted on cross-examination that he was still dis- playing his union support by wearing union T-shirts at the time of Hartley's questions. Of course, Lanning, having openly espoused the Union's cause during the election campaign, did not forfeit the privacy of his union sentiments and any change thereof. But his open and continuous wearing of signs of union support renders Hartley's questions as coercive devices harmless. It must be remembered that Hartley's questions were directed only to Lanning and did not seek to ascertain the union activities or sentiments of any other employees. I there- fore find that Hartley's questions to Lanning did not vio- late the Act. Lanning also testified concerning a conversation with James Everha, t. a supervisor on the "B" crew. Accord- ing to Lanring, n October 7, during his break time, Everhart cled anning over to his work table and asked him ,' he was keeping a diary. 2 " Lanning replied that he di:e not have but just so many minutes for break, and he cald lot keep up with other people's time. Ever- hart respondt d, "That's good." Everhart's denials of Lanning's testimony were half- hearted, ani he conceded that he may have talked to Lanning in a joking manner about a diary. Accordingly, I credit Lanning. The General Counsel contends that the keeping of a diary was an action clearly associated with, and support- ive of, the Union's continued campaign, and was an at- tempt to insure uniformity and reduce disparity in the treatment of employees. The inquiry of Everhart, so the argument goes, was an attempt to ascertain his sympa- 22 While I hav, credited Hartley regarding other mailers elsewhere herein, it is well esta,'ished that a trier of fact ma accept portions of a witnes's testimony ant. reject the remainder Sourtheastern Motor Fruck Lines, 113 NLRB 112:,1955) z' I is undisputed ihat in early October the Union distributed a leaflet calling upon emplo e to keep a diary of the breaktime and talking lime of empoyee support r of the Respondent GC Exh 13. thies and also to restrain him from engaging in acts in support of the Union. Moreover. Everhart's response in- dicating his approval of Lanning's failure to keep a diary made the inquiry more coercive. The Respondent in arguing the absence of a violation relies upon the admittedly good friendship existing be- tween Everhart and Lanning, as well as the fact that the remark by Everhart was made in a joking manner. I find the General Counsel's argument more persua- sive. Notwithstanding Lanning's open union support, he could not legitimately be required to reveal every ele- ment of that support. An inquiry into an employee's in- volvement in the pursuit of lawful union activities in pro- moting employee interest tends to interfere with such ac- tivities. The expression of supervisory approval for an employee's failure to provide the Union with a specifical- ly requested form of support constitutes a subtle form of interference. Moreover, friendship with the interrogator is no defense where the interrogated employee has not previously and openly demonstrated his support of the Union in the area inquired about. I conclude that Ever- hart's question and comment to Lanning about the diary violated Section 8(a)(1) of the Act. Former employee Thomas Edmonds testified that about 4 weeks prior to the election he was approached at work by Bobby Lumsden, a supervisor on the "B" crew in the end-finding area, who asked him his "feeling toward the Union." Following some discussion in which, Edmonds testified, he refrained from indicating any union support, Lumsden told Edmonds not to go into the glass winding area because Edmonds knew they were all unionized there. Lumsden admitted mentioning the Union to Edmonds but his version was substantially different. He related that he had observed Edmonds with a yellow T-shirt on, the same color as the Union's T-shirts, and had told Ed- monds, "My God, Tommy, turn around and let me see that shirt." When Edmonds turned around there was no writing on the T-shirt and Edmonds remarked that there was no writing on the T-shirt because he had lost his last job because of the union at another place of business. Edmonds expressed his satisfaction, said he had not known how Edmonds had felt, and walked off. I credit Lumsden over Edmonds in this instance not only because his version is believable, but also because Edmonds, after testifying very emphatically about the in- cident, was contradicted by his pretrial statement both as to the timing of the event as well as the name of a nearby employee. I am persuaded that his memory with respect to the details of Lumsden's alleged remarks are no more accurate. I therefore find no violation of Sec- tion 8(a)(1) by the Respondent based on Edmonds' testi- mony. It was alleged that Bryce Starr, an "A" crew supervi- sor in the finished product area, interrogated an employ- ee regarding his union activities in the latter part of July. The General Counsel, to support this allegation, relied again upon the testimony of employee Perrell. Perrell re- lated that in late August or early September Bryce Starr asked him, "You didn't sign one of those union cards, PPG INDUSTRIES. IN 1157 1158 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL ILABOR RELATIONS BO()ARD did you?" Perrell replied affirmatively. 24 Perrell's testi- mony suggests that Starr's alleged question about the union card came out of thin air. Starr emphatically denied any questioning of Perrell as to whether he had signed a union card. I credit Starr's denial not only because I found him more credible gener- ally and in demeanor than Perrell, but also because Per- rell admitted that he had worn union T-shirts and insig- nia in the plant prior to Starr's question and it is improb- able that Starr would have found it necessary to ascer- tain Perrell's union sentiments or his status as a card signer. I find no violation of the Act by the Respondent through Starr in this regard. Around April 10, according to the testimony of Donna Black, 25 she was approached by Martha Scott, a fore- man in the end-finding area on the "C" crew, who ob- served the union badge Black was wearing and "wanted to know" if Black knew what she was doing. Further, Black related that Scott "wanted to make sure that Donna did what Donna wanted to do," and that she had not been brainwashed by any union propaganda. Black replied that she always did what she wanted to do, and Scott remarked that Black knew that if there was a layoff that Black would be one of the first ones to go. Then Scott wanted to know "what did we want?" A dis- cussion of a dental and optical plan followed and Scott commented that Black had not been with the Company long enough 2 6 to know what the Company could do for her. Black replied that if she had the chance to make it better she would take the chance. Scott admitted the conversation with Black and even some of the comments therein, but denied asking Black if she knew what she was doing. Scott said the conversa- tion began when Black noted Scott observing her union badge and stated, "This is my idea." Scott testified she replied that that was fine because she had the right to be for a union or against the Union as long as it was her idea and that she was not being brainwashed by someone else's idea or by propaganda. There followed some dis- cussion of company benefits. The General Counsel alleges that Scott's inquiry of Black, "if she knew what she was doing," constituted un- lawful interrogation and a violation of Section 8(a)(l) of the Act. While Black appeared to me to be a sincere wit- ness, her testimony on the point was less than precise and leaves considerable doubt that Scott asked that par- ticular question. Asked the second time on direct exami- nation how the conversation began and what was said, Black answered, "'How is it going,' and you know, 'why would I want to be for a union'; and you know; some- thing like that." "Something like that" is too indefinite, I find, to establish unlawful interrogation. I conclude that Black was testifying as to her impressions of Scott's re- marks rather than Scott's actual statements. Under these circumstances, I credit Scott's denial that she asked 24 The record does not reflect when Perrell had actually signed a union card. However, a letter from the Union to the Respondent naming more in-plant organizing committee people, including Perrell. was dated October 18. G.C. Exh. 10 2s Subsequent to the events herein, Donna Black married Ronnie Bed- sole and at times her name appears in the record as Donna Black Bedsole and Donna Bedsole. 26 Black had been employed on January 20 or 23. Black if she knew what she was doing. Even assuming Scott asked Black if she knew what she was doing, since Black's Union support was obvious from her union badge I would find such a question not to be coercive. Stumpf Motor Company, Inc., supra. Leon Gibson, "A" crew foreman of the fabrication de- partment, was alleged to have violated the Act by three separate incidents of unlawful interrogation. Thus, em- ployee Jackie Potts testified that in the latter part of March Gibson came to her work station and told her he would like to talk to her about the Union. Thereafter, in the conversation which Potts stated lasted about 15 or 20 minutes, Gibson asked her why she was for the Union. Gibson admitted the conversation with Potts, but denied the question attributed to him. Gibson stated that Potts at the time of the conversation was wearing a badge con- taining the legend "A woman's place is in the Union." 2 7 Potts impressed me as credible and she was not cross-ex- amined on the point. However, in view of Potts' known union support, and since Gibson's inquiry was not made in the context of other threats, I find that Gibson did not coercively interrogate Potts. It was the testimony of former employee Lester Pier- son that Gibson talked to him almost daily or every other day about the Union from April through sometime in September. According to Pierson, Gibson would gen- erally start off by wanting to know how the frames were running, and then he "would lead up to different things about the Union wanting to know why I thought a union would help, why I thought the PPG needed a union, if I was dissatisfied with, if I thought that we needed better representation then we had, and just general stuff of that nature." Pierson said Gibson wanted to know whether he was for or against the Union. However, Pierson was able to recall only one specific occasion when Gibson questioned him about the Union. That was I or 2 days before the election when Gibson asked Pierson if he was coming in to vote, and Pierson had replied that he was. Gibson then asked, according to Pierson, how Pierson was going to vote, to which Pierson allegedly replied, "You should know that by now." Gibson in his testimo- ny conceded that he had talked to Pierson about the Union, but claimed it was only about three times. He denied asking Pierson the questions claimed by Pierson and testified he knew of Pierson's union sentiments by virtue of Pierson's wearing a Union T-shirt and badges signifying union support. 28 I find Pierson's testimony incredible. While I have no doubt that Gibson probably talked to him on several oc- casions, it is incredible that Gibson would on each occa- sion ask him his thoughts about why a union would help or why he thought PPG needed a union. His inability to specify any particular conversation or occasion aside from the one a day or two before the election under- mined the credibility of his testimony generally. I find it patently incredible that Gibson would ask Pierson, a known union supporter who had apparently defended 27 Polts' membership oin the in-plant organizing committee was com- municated to the Respondent by a letter dated March 22 G C Eh. 3 28 Pierson admitted that Gibson started talking Io him about the Union around the first time he wore a Union button in the plant PPG'C INDUSTRIFS,. INC. |I 1 L the Union in his prior conversations with Gibson. hots Pierson was going to vote in the election. Accordingly, and also because I found Pierson unconvincing in demea- nor, I conclude that the General Counsel has established no violation of the Act through Pierson's testimony. 5. The alleged unlawful solicitation of withdrawal of union cards and threats of layoff The complaint alleges that the Respondent through Day Crew Foreman Jeff Pope in early April and Fore- man Gibson in late May unlawfully solicited from its em- ployees the withdrawal of their union card. In support of this allegation employee Lisa Hollingsworth testified that in a prework meeting of about 60 employees in the bobbin reclaim section in early April Foreman Pope brought up the subject of employees getting their union authorization cards back. According to Hollingsworth, Pope read a letter or paper about employees getting their cards back and said that if anybody wanted to get their cards back that he would lay the papers containing the information he had read on the desk. Pope added, ac- cording to Hollingsworth, that if anybody wanted one of the papers they could come up and get one, and if they needed any help he would be glad to help them. During the same meeting, Pope was asked by an em- ployee if they, as part-timers, would be laid off if the Union was voted in, and Pope had replied that in his opinion they would be laid off.29 Pope admitted to the reading of a letter concerning withdrawal of union cards at more than one meeting, but denied that he offered to help anybody with respect to such withdrawals. Moreover, he denied that he told the employees that there would be a layoff. Rather, Pope testified that he told the employees in response to a ques- tion about a layoff that he had heard that rumor and he wanted it stopped, that as far as he knew the Company had hired them and they would not be laid off, and that he could not tell them what the Union would do if it came in. Pope's testimony was substantially corroborated by two employee witnesses who had attended the meet- ing, Tami Mabe and Sandra Everhart. Mabe and Ever- hart were young but impressive witnesses. Accordingly, I credit Pope's version of his remarks corroborated by Mabe and Everhart over the uncorroborated testimony of Lisa Hollingsworth, who impressed me as less reliable. I conclude therefore that Pope made no threat of a layoff in the event the employees selected the Union to represent them. I further conclude he made no offers of help with respect to the letters. The "letter" referred to in both Hollingsworth's and Pope's testimony was prepared by the Respondent and was made available to employees through supervisors. The letter, addressed to all of the Respondent's Lexing- ton employees and dated March 20, reads as follows: A number of you have been asking your supervi- sors how you can cancel union authorization cards you have signed. 29 Employees in that section ere part-timers and onme were still high school students We are giving all of you this information in case you \vant to use it. If you want to cancel or withdraw a card you signed and gave to the Union, you can do it by simply writing a letter to: [Union's address] All you have to say in the letter is: "I Hereby Revoke The Card I Signed Authorizing Teamsters Local 391 To represent me. Please Return The Card To Me." Or words to the same effect. Your card will be cl.xlled and revoked whether the Union sends the card to you or not. However, it is a good idea to send the letter by Certified Mail, return receipt requested, so you can prove that your letter has been delivered to the Union. Because so many of you have asked this question regarding how you might revoke your union card, we wanted to take this opportunity to advise you as to your legal rights. The letter was signed by Plant Manager James Dough- ty. The distribution of the same letter by Foreman Gibson on several occasions, as testified to by Donna Meisenheimer and Georgianna McBride, is also alleged to be a violation. Thus, McBride testified that Gibson distributed copies of the letter at a preshift meeting of employees around the last of March or first of April. In distributing the letter, Gibson would put a copy of the letter on the tables at which the employees sat. On one occasion, the employees at McBride's table told Gibson that they did not want a copy, but he replied, "Oh, you might need it sometime." Around the last of April or first of May Gibson, after distributing copies of the letter on the tables at a preshift meeting, announced to the em- ployees that he had done so and added that if "we" got enough of these withdrawal cards back we could run "Ms. Vicki [Saporta] and her belongings out of town." Occasionally, after putting copies of the letter on the table, Gibson, according to McBride, would stand for a minute or two to see if there was any employee response before moving on. The testimony of Meisenheimer was substantially in accord with that of McBride. She testi- fied also that she could recall Gibson continuing to pass out the papers regarding card revocations up to the time of the election. McBride said he continued to pass out the papers even after the election. Gibson admitted that he had distributed the papers containing the card withdrawal information thereon to employees approximately 12 times at preshift meetings over a period of months. He recalled McBride telling him on one occasion that she did not want one and he had replied that if she did no' want one to just leave it on the table. According to Gibson, the documents he dis- tribuied had been supplied by the personnel department, and, while he identified about four employees who had asked him about getting cards back from the Union, his testimony suggests that such requests were after he had distributed the card withdrawal information. Finally, Gibson admitted that at one meeting he told the employ- I'PG INDLSTRIFS. INC. It 54 .,. .... .. .. . ... 1160 DECISIONS O()F NATI()NAL LA13BO()R RELATIONS BO()ARKD ees that if enough people requested their cards he can- celed "Vicki" might pack her bags and leave. It is the argument of the General Counsel that in an organizational campaign tainted with threats, and absent evidence that any employees had requested the return of their cards prior to the time that the Respondent pre- pared and distributed the information on withdrawal of union cards, the planting of the revocation idea by making available and offering assistance in the revocation process was coercive and violative of the Act. It is fur- ther argued that supplying the revocation information coupled with the offer of assistance lends itself to the in- terpretation that the Re 1(indent was inimical to collec- tive-bargaining principles. The Charging Party argues that absent prior requests for information on revocation it can be inferred that the Respondent's motive for dis- tributing instructions for revoking cards was to induce and assist employees to repudiate the Union. The Respondent, on the other hand, argues that the card withdrawal information was distributed to employ- ees after inquiries by employees, and that the use of the information was left to the employees, who could use the information without the knowledge of the Respondent. Moreover, the Respondent contends that even if the in- formation had not been in response to initial employee requests no violation of the Act would have been com- mitted in its preparation and distribution. In support of this position, the Respondent cites Aircraft Hydro-Form- ing, Inc., 221 NLRB 581 (1975). In the cited case, the employer had mailed its employees letters during a union organizational campaign indicating how employees might seek the return of union authorization cards previously signed by them. The Administrative Law Judge, with Board approval, found that the letters did not constitute a violation of the Act, even though the advice in the let- ters had been unrequested, because there was "no at- tempt to elicit information as to whether employees availed themselves of this advice" and "no assistance or offer of assistance." Id. at 583. I have canvassed the record in the instant case and find no direct evidence that any particular named em- ployee had sought information from the Respondent re- garding procedures for withdrawing their union authori- zation cards prior to the time the Respondent prepared and distributed its document on such procedures. I con- clude, therefore, that here, as in Aircraft Hydro-Forming, the information prepared and distributed by the Re- spondent was not initially requested by the employees. But under Aircraft Hydro-Forming this fact alone does not establish the violation where the employer does not attempt to ascertain whether the employees act upon the information supplied by the employer and where there is otherwise no assistance given or offered to the employ- ees in withdrawing their cards. Here I have found no as- sistance or offers thereof, and there was no way that the Respondent could have known whether the employees acted upon the information even assuming Foreman Gibson observed which employees picked up the papers containing the withdrawal information. Aircraft 1Hydro- Forming would thus appear to dictate a conclusion that the allegation of unlawful solicitation must be dismissed. I so conclude with respect to Pope's reading of the with- drawal information to employees. However, I am per- suaded that the effect of the Respondent's actions through Foreman Gibson was substantially different than that of the conduct of the employer in Aircraft Hydro- Forming, and requires a different result. Unlike the situation in the cited case which involved only the one letter to employees, the Respondent, through Gibson, repeatedly distributed the withdrawal information to employees, some of whom, on the basis of the testimony of McBride and Meisenheimer, whom I credit, specifically stated they did not want it. That re- peated distribution, when coupled with Gibson's ad- mitted comment that if enough employees sent for their cards back they could send "Ms. Vicki" packing, takes on the character of an outright solicitation to employees to withdraw their union cards and constituted more than "minimal assistance." Moreover, that solicitation assumes an aspect of coercion when the information on with- drawals was distributed in a manner which allowed Gibson to observe which employees elected to pick up the distributions. The subtle pressures on employees in- herent in such a situation are obvious. Accordingly, and in the context of the other violations of the Act by the Respondent found herein, I find and conclude that the Respondent did unlawfully solicit employees to with- draw their union authorization cards and thereby violat- ed Section 8(a)(l) of the Act as alleged. 6. Alleged solicitation of grievances and promises of benefits Robert Motes was employed by the Respondent in 1972, and in May 1978 was working as an equipment service man (fixer). Motes testified that he attended the first union meeting in March and subsequently was named to the in-plant organizing committee. Moreover, he wore union buttons and insignia in the plant begin- ning in March. According to Motes, about 6 to 8 months prior to May he had talked to Robert Byerly, an area foreman in the twisting department, about transferring to the day shift. Motes told Byerly he had been promised by J. A. Dav- enport, a fixer supervisor on the day shift, that he could go to "days." Motes claimed that he had also told other supervisors, including Hartley and Gibson, of his desire to switch to days. Nevertheless, he had not been able to receive the desired transfer. Motes testified that on May 9 he was approached by Foreman Byerly at his work station and Byerly engaged him in a discussion about the Union, and inquired of Motes why he was supporting the Union instead of the Respondent. Motes replied that it was because or the way things happened around there and related specifical- ly the fact that he had wanted a day job and had senior- ity, but there were other fixers who were working days while he was still working crew; i.e., rotating shifts. Byer!ly stated, according to Motes, that he would go up- stairs and see what he could find out and do about it. On May 16, Motes talked to Davenport in the presence of Foreman Hartley and Davenport told Motes that he was going to bring Motes to "days." While Davenport initially indicated that the transfer would be immediate, PPGr INDUSTRIES, INC. 1161 after further discussion with Motes and at Motes' request the date of the transfer was set for July 3. The following day Foreman Byerly inquired of Motes if he was ready to change over from the Union to the Company. Motes replied negatively and Byerly asked, "Well, you are going on days, aren't you?" and "That is what you wanted, wasn't it?" Motes explained that there was more to it than that. In late June, according to Motes' testimony, he was told by Davenport that the transfer on July 3 was going to be postponed. Ultimately, on September 4, Motes was transferred to days. It is the General Counsel's position that Byerly's ap- proach to Motes on May 9 constituted an unlawful so- licitation of grievances to discourage Motes' union sup- port. The General Counsel further urges that Byerly's offer to see what he could do for Motes relative to the transfer, as well as Davenport's promise to transfer Motes to days, constituted a promise of benefit to dis- courage Motes' union activities. The Respondent, through Byerly and Davenport, dis- pute the facts related in the testimony of Motes. Byerly admitted that he had talked to Motes on May 9, but he denied that he had any conversation with him at that time about transferring to days. He subsequently learned that Motes was to be transferred to days in July, but after a 5-day break in early July, according to Byerly, he was surprised to find Motes still on the crew. He talked to Motes about it and Motes complained about it. Byerly said he told Motes that he did not know what happened but added that he would check into it. Byerly admittedly did not follow through with any kind of a "check." He denied that he had at any other time told Motes he would check into his being transferred to days. Davenport testified that he had no knowledge prior to June that Motes wanted to transfer to days. He said that crew and day assignments are generally made on the basis of seniority but new employees were trained on days. In June Davenport inquired around of employees on crew as to who wanted to go to days and found out from Crew Foreman Hartley that Motes wanted to go to days. He called Motes in and offered him the day job, but because Motes had some personal plans for use of an upcoming 5-day break period he was due Motes had asked to delay the change until he returned from that break. Davenport agreed. However, because of some in- tervening promotions of some fixers on the day shift into other positions leaving vacancies requiring the training of new people for the positions on days, Motes' transfer to days was delayed until those new people could be trained and then assigned to crews. Davenport denied that Motes' union activities had anything to do with his transfer to days, although he admitted he was aware of Motes' union position.30 He further denied that he had talked to Byerly about the transfer at all. The testimony of Motes struck me as being truthful, and, notwithstanding some confusion on his part as to dates and the exact sequence of comments, I was im- pressed with his sincerity. I therefore credit his testimo- 30 Davenport denied the testimony of Motes o the effect that Daven- port had once told Motes to "get that God damn hit off you." referring to Motes' union button ny where it contradicts that of Byerly or Davenport. Based upon Motes' testimony, it is clear that Byerly was ascertaining the basis for Motes' union support and the causes of his dissatisfaction with the Respondent. Upon learning of one basis for Motes' dissatisfaction, Byerly in- dicated that he would undertake some action on Motes' behalf. Thus, Byerly not only solicited Motes' grievances stimulating his union support, but impliedly promised to do something about Motes' grievance. The fact that Motes within a few days thereafter was granted the shift to days, a remedy for his earlier dissatisfaction, can not be mere coincidence, particularly in light of Byerly's subsequent comments to Motes which clearly reflected that the shift change was brought about to placate Motes. I conclude that the Respondent, by Byerly's statements, solicited his grievances to discourage his union support and promised to remedy them for the same reason, all in violation of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act. Fred Jones Manufacturing Company, 239 NLRB 54 (1978). Davenport, on the other hand, made no promises of benefits to Motes as alleged in the complaint, but it is clear that he was instrumental in granting the benefit im- pliedly promised by Byerly and did tell Motes he would be transfered to days. In this regard the Respondent, through Davenport, also violated the Act. 7. Alleged threats to refuse to negotiate a contract and to sell out Motes also testified that he had two additional conver- sations with Byerly on May 9. In the second conversa- tion Byerly, according to Motes, noted that Motes was still wearing his union button and then remarked that it would not do the employees any good if the Union got in. When Motes inquired why Byerly stated that Plant Manager Doughty had guaranteed the supervisors at a meeting that they had that if the Union got in they would not negotiate a contract. There followed some discussions of strikes and the rights of strikers getting their jobs back. In a third conversation with Byerly on the same date and only a few hours later Byerly told Motes that "if the Union did get in that the Company would probably sell out to Owens-Corning." Motes had inquired of Byerly what Owens-Corning did and Byerly explained that they made fiber glass too. Byerly concluded the conversation by telling Motes that he wanted him to think about what they had been talking about. Byerly in his testimony admitted that he had had three conversations with Motes on May 9, but denied the spe- cific remarks attributed to him in the last two conversa- tions noted above except with respect to the replacement of strikers. He admittedly opened one of the conversa- tions by telling Motes that he wanted to talk about the sale of the Respondent, and, while he mentioned Owens- Corning, he maintained that it was in relation to Owens- Corning's losing customers to the Respondent during the time of a natural gas shortage and that he used that as an example of how a strike might cause the Respondent to lose customers. PP INDUSTRIES. NC. 1162 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS B()ARD I credit Motes' version of Byerly's remarks. I find that Byerly did in fact threaten that the Respondent would not negotiate a contract with the Union and that such a threat was coercive and violative of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act. El Rancho Market, 235 NLRB 468 (1978). The Respondent argues that, even if Byerly did indi- cate that the plant would be sold if the Union were se- lected, such a remark was not coercive. In support of this argument, the Respondent cited Mobil Oil Corpora- tion, 219 NLRB 511 (1975), where no violation was found based on a supervisor's comment in response to an employee question that "I imagine Mobil will put [the job] up for bid." In finding no violation, the Board spe- cifically relied upon the casualness of the conversation, the fact that only one employee heard the remark, and the apparent camaraderie of the men working together in close quarters. The case sub judice is different not only from the standpoint of the absence of apparent camara- derie, but also because the threat of the sale was only a part of other coercive and violative statements and con- duct directed at Motes by Byerly. Under these circum- stances, and in this context, the threat of the sale in the event of organization is most likely to be perceived as a menance to any existing and desirable working condi- tions. Accordingly, it constituted a threat of economic reprisal. Seal Trucking Limited, 237 NLRB 1091 (1978). The Respondent also argues the absence of coercion based on Motes' testimony that he did not care if the Re- spondent was sold. That Motes may not have himself been coerced by the comment is not determinative of the violation. It is the tendency to coerce which is the criti- cal point. El Rancho Market, supra; American Freightways Co., Inc., 124 NLRB 146 (1959). 1 find that Byerly's threat to sell did have a tendency to coerce employees generally, and did constitute a violation of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act as alleged. The complaint alleges that Foreman Hartley, in early June, had also threatened that the Respondent would not negotiate a contract with the Union if it became the em- ployee's bargaining representative. Former employee Jerry Williams31 testified in support of this allegation that in early July, during a 45-minute conversation con- cerning the Union, Hartley had told him that the Re- spondent would never negotiate a contract. Williams could remember no other details of the conversation. Hartley admitted his conversation with Williams, but placed it on May 3 and 4. The conversation related to the Respondent's right to replace strikers, and, because Williams had made a statement relative to the nonstrikers not being able to work 24 hours a day, a remark which Hartley considered threatening, he made a note of the conversation. 32 Hartley emphatically denied that he told Williams that the Respondent would not negotiate a con- tract. I was not impressed by Williams either in his manner of testifying or in the content of his testimony. His recol- lection was poor as demonstrated by the fact that not- withstanding earlier statements to the Board he did not reveal the comments he attributed to Hartley above until a" Williams had been discharged by the Respondent on September 20 due to allergic reactions to the Respondent's products. a2 Resp Exh 14 January 29, 1979, more than 7 months after he claimed they were made. Moreover, his inability to recall other details of the conversation renders his version suspect and unreliable in the face of specific contradiction by Hartley. Accordingly, I do not credit Williams, and I conclude that the violation alleged with respect to Hart- ley based on Williams testimony has not been established. 8. Alleged threats to close the plant Donna Black related in her testimony that about April 27 she had a conversation at her work station in the plant with Foreman Hartley about the Union. Black at- tempted to avoid the conversation claiming that she was busy, but Hartley persisted stating that she got paid for talking to him just as if she was working. Notwithstand- ing Black's insistence that she did not want to talk about the Union, Hartley told her that he did not want a union in the plant, that the plant manager, Doughty, did not either, and that he had faith in Doughty. Black reminded Hartley that the Respondent did not want the Union in its 40 other plants but they had them. Hartley's alleged response was a question: "Well, don't you think this plant could close?" Black replied negatively and Hartley stated, "Well it could." Black asked Hartley to please let her go and Hartley waved her back to work and walked off. Hartley admitted the conversation with Black and con- ceded her remark about the other 40 plants.33 His reply was, however, that he was only interested in the Lexing- ton plant, and, following that comment, he walked off. He denied that he had mentioned Doughty's name in the conversation. Black was an unwilling participant in the conversation with Hartley and tried to avoid it. Her testimony on the point was clear and her recall good. She appeared to be a reliable witness worthy of belief. Moreover, I find it not implausible, given Hartley's and the Respondent's ad- mitted opposition to the Union, that Hartley told Black that he and Doughty did not want a union in the plant. Black's "come back" to Hartley regarding the 40 other plants obviously put him on the spot sufficiently enough to provoke an ill-considered response. Accordingly, I find that Hartley made the remark attributed to him by Black and that that remark implied that the plant was subject to closure if the Union were selected by the em- ployees. I conclude that Hartley's remark was an implied threat of plant closure as alleged in the complaint. The threat of plant closure by the Respondent's vice president, Frank Green, alleged in the complaint, is based upon a speech read by Green to groups of the Re- spondent's employees concerning the union campaign.3 4 'I Hartley testified that, if the Respondent had 40 other plants that had union colntracts, Black knew more than he did. However, it is not disput- ed that the Respondent operates other plants where its employees are represented by unions. :4 Green., called as a witness by the (General Counsel under Scc 61l(c) of the Federal Rules, testified that he read the speech containing the comments alleged to be coercive by the General Counsel on only one iccasion June 30. While he subsequently gave the same speech to other employees, the alleged coercive comments were omitted, according to Cireen Plant Manager Doughly's testimony suggests that Green gave the C'ontinued PPG INDSTRIES, INC 1 163 On June 30, Green spoke to about 250 employees on the Respondent's "D" crew who were assembled in the fab- rication lunchroom. On this occasion the Respondent's twist frame machinery was intentionally shut down prior to the beginning of the speech, although it had never before been shut down completely except for power fail- ures."5 In his June 30 speech Green, responding for the most part to union campaign literature suggesting that the Respondent could not afford to take a strike, made the following remarks which, under the circumstances, including the shut down of the twist frames, are argued by the General Counsel to be coercive: Listen. (Long Pause) This plant is quiet now. In all likelihood, you've never heard it this way before. But I want to be heard, loud and clear. What you are hearing is what a dead plant sounds like, although right now forming is still op- erating. But the effect is in essence the same. No product being made, no money coming in, for wages, benefits, or profits. I don't like it. And I sincerely hope that you don't like it either. But we'd shut it down forever before we would give up the right to manage it! Fairness dictates that the paragraph in Green's speech preceding the above-quoted one also be set forth. Well, I hope that we have all learned something here today. First, when we tell you something, it's true. And I am telling you now that this Union that hands you leaflets and promises you a pot of gold is just another union. It has no magic. If it can't get what it wants by good faith negotiating, as it is called, its "Last-Resort" [strike] is just what you have been seeing. And I am also telling you that this company will never submit to force, from a union or anybody else. The General Counsel contends that the quoted com- ments coming from a high Respondent official given within a week of the election contained an "ominous message of closure" brought home to employees by graphic reference to the absence of the production noise of the twist machines and could only be construed by employees as a threat of closure resulting from unioniza- tion. In support of this contention the General Counsel cites N.L.R.B. v. Gissel Packing Co., 395 U.S. 575 (1969), Components, Inc., 197 NLRB 163 (1972), and Russell Stover Candies, Inc., 221 NLRB 441 (1975). The Respondent argues on the other hand that the possibility of the plant being shut down was "mentioned only in the context of unreasonable union demands, un- successful negotiations and disabling strike activity, and was not presented as a probability, as being desirable or intended, or as having any connection with the mere fact of unionization." In any event, according to the Re- spondent's position, Green's speech made no prediction same speech on several occasions to different employee groups In con- sidering the existence of a iolation, I find it unnecessary to decide whether Green's subsequent speeches contained the alleged coerclse re- marks. as In Green's subsequent speeches only those twist frames Immediately adjacent to the lunchrooinm were shut doss n at all and in essence Green was only expressing concern over certain union leaflets indicating a willingness to strike under a misapprehension of the Respondent's will- ingness to resist such a strike. In Gissel, supra, the Supreme Court stated that an em- ployer may make predictions as to the precise effects of unionization on his company, but "the prediction must be carefully phrased on the basis of objective fact to convey an employer's belief as to the demonstrably probable consequences beyond his control or to convey a manage- ment decision already arrived at to close the plant in case of unionization." The Court went on to state that if the employer in his statement implies that he may or may not take action solely on his own initiative for rea- sons unrelated to economic necessities and known only to him the statement constitutes a threat outside the pro- tection of the first amendment. Considering the forego- ing, and viewed in the context of other remarks in the speech, I am persuaded that Green's statement could be properly characterized as a threat. Responding as he was to union contentions that the Respondent could not afford a strike, Green's statement was more than an ex- pression of the Respondent's resolve to survive. Rather, it was a commitment not to continue its plant regardless of economic concerns and without regard to specific union demands. This interpretation receives reinforce- ment from other comments in Green's speech in which he noted the Respondent's "new approach" in not at- tempting to appease labor unions anymore. He pointed out, in effect, that as a result of the "new approach" three of the Respondent's plants, Clarksburg, West Vir- ginia, Mount Vernon, Ohio, and Henryetta, Oklahoma, had been completely shut down. Accordingly, and in view of the other violations by the Respondent found herein, I conclude, in agreement with the General Coun- sel's position, that Green's statement constituted a threat to close the plant in the event of unionization and there- by violated Section 8(a)(1) of the Act. A final threat of plant closure was attributed to Fore- man Robert Byerly by Jerry Williams. Williams testified that a couple of days before the election he was ap- proached by Byerly at Williams' work station and told by Byerly that Green had said in a meeting "up front" that they could phase the plant out in a period of 14 months. Byerly prefaced the remark, according to Wil- liams, by stating that he did not know whether he should be telling Williams but thought he ought to know. Byerly denied that he had talked to Williams about Frank Green, that he made the remarks attributed to him by Williams, or that he had heard from any management source that the plant would be phased out in 14 months. I have previously found Williams to be an unconvinc- ing witness, and he was unconvincing in his testimony regarding Byerly as well. His testimony on cross-exami- nation contradicted his testimony on direct with respect to exactly how the alleged conversation with Byerly started and whether Byerly had quoted any comments of Frank Green. Under these circumstances, and in the ab- sence of any corroboration, I do not credit Williams. I therefore base no finding of a violation of the Act on the testimony of Williams. PPG INDUSTRIES, INC 163 1164 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR REI.ATIONS BOARD 9. Alleged threats of more onerous working conditions Donna Black testified that on April 27, shortly after her conversation with Foreman Hartley already related herein, she was told by Foreman Martha Scott to meet Scott in the maintenance breakroom after break. Black did meet with Scott after her lunch break. Scott had brought in some papers and while looking them over re- minded Black that Black was still a probationary em- ployee. Scott commented about Black's absences and in- dicated they were not excessive. Then Scott stated that she heard that Black had been talking about her and re- lated what she had heard.3 6 Black replied that what Scott had heard and what Black had said were two dif- ferent things. During the same conversation, still accord- ing to Black, Scott looked at Black's union badge 37 and stated that "if things don't turn out the way we hope, that if we thought that we worked now, we were going to make production, that she was going to cut out all of these people taking extra long breaks and all of this talk- ing that was going on." Scott added, "how I am not saying that you are doing it," but "I am going to cut it out for everybody." The conversation ended with Scott's telling Black that she was satisfied with Black's work and if she had any complaints she would tell Black. Scott admitted talking to Black in the maintenance breakroom concerning a complaint that Black had been making critical remarks to other employees about Scott's employee work assignments. Scott, however, placed the conversation as occurring on May 8, rather than April 27, and testified that she placed a reprimand in Black's file on May 8. Although she denied telling Black she was doing a good job, she conceded that she told Black that Black was doing a fairly good job but that Scott felt she could do better. She denied the other remarks related in the testimony of Black, including the remarks about cut- ting out the extra long breaks and talking. I have previously found Black to be a sincere witness. In this instance there is little ambiguity in her testimony regarding the comments she attributed to Scott, and in view of the direct contradiction by Scott there is no basis for any conclusion that Black misconstrued or mis- interpreted Scott's statements. Black steadfastly main- tained her version of Scott's remarks through cross-ex- amination, and I am persuaded that her testimony with the exception of the date of the event was accurate and truthful. I find that Scott made the remarks attributed to her by Black. Under the circumstances, and in that context, Scott's remarks indicated that if things did not go the way the employees hoped with regard to the union campaign Scott was going to cut out extended breaks and talking and employees were in effect going to work harder. I therefore find that Scott's remarks in fact constituted a 'e On cross-examination Black explained that what Scott as com- plaining about was Black's expression of dissatisfaction to other employ- ees concerning Scott's operating decisions in the department. Black ad- mitted that Scott had told her in the same conversation that Scott would run her department any way she saw fit and she would assign mploees wherever she saw fit to place them. 31 This particular badge bore the legend "A Woman's Place Is In Her Union." threat of more onerous working conditions. Strydel Incor- porated, 156 NLRB 1185 (1966). The threat violated Sec- tion 8(a)( 1 ) of the Act. 10. Alleged denial of union representation at a disciplinary meeting The complaint alleged that the Respondent violated Section 8(a)(l) of the Act through James Williams, area supervisor of the fabrication department, on October 18, based upon Williams' denial of union representation to an employee during a disciplinary meeting with the employ- ee. To support the alleged violation the General Counsel relied upon the testimony of employee Hugh Smith. Smith related that he was called into Supervisor Bryce Starr's office on October 17 where he was questioned by Starr and crew foreman Gibson concerning a complaint that Smith had been estimating the weight of waste yarn tubes resulting from the warping process rather than ac- tually weighing the tubes.3 8 Smith conceded that he had not actually weighed the tubes. He then was advised by Gibson that estimating and recording the estimate was a dischargeable offense because it constituted falsification of company records. However, Gibson was unable to find a specific rule on the matter in the Respondent's rule book. Smith was then told to go home and come back the next day to see Area Supervisor Williams about the matter. The following day, Gibson took Smith to the person- nel office where Smith met with Williams and Employ- ment Supervisor Jerry Strong. At the outset of the meet- ing Smith asked Williams if he could have a witness and Williams replied that that was what Strong was there for. Then Smith said he wanted a union representative and Williams responded that this was not a union plant, would not be a union plant, and he would do anything he could to keep it out. : 9 Williams then proceeded to tell Smith that he had committed a dischargeable offense and he was fired. Smith's version has it that he was then told to wait outside the office. Gibson and Strong left for about 30 minutes and when they returned Smith was asked to come back into Strong's office where Williams announced that "they had doubt in their minds" that Smith did not mean to weigh out the tubes. Smith was allowed to return to work, but an hour later was called to Gibson's office where he was given a written repri- mand for the incident. The versions of the Respondent's witnesses do not differ significantly from that of Smith. Williams conced- ed in his testimony that, before his interview with Smith, Smith had asked for a witness, and subsequently asked for a union representative. Williams explained that he had reversed the decision to fire Smith because of infor- mation from the department superintendent to the effect that what Smith had done could have been condoned by :' Smith admitted that while in training he had been told by supervi- sion to weigh the tubes but subsequently he had been told by an experi- enced employee to just estimate the weight of the tubes. : It must be recalled that as of October 17. while the Union had os- tensibl sk1on the July election the Respondent's request for review of the Regional Director's Supplemental Decision was still pending before the Hoard PPG INDLISFRIES, INC I115 "other people." This, according to Williams, created enough doubt in his mind to preclude going through with the discharge. He denied that his initial decision and the reversal of that decision was related to anything said to him by Smith on October 18. Although Williams testi- fied that the discharge decision had been made prior to the time that Smith was called in on October 18, and that a payoff authorization form had already been com- pleted before Smith came in, he conceded that he had asked Smith some questions during the interview but could not recall what they were. Based on the foregoing, it is the General Counsel's contention that the Respondent's actions with respect to Smith constituted a denial of his statutory right to repre- sentation as enunciated in .L.R.B. v. J. Weingarten, Inc., 420 U.S. 251 (1975). According to the General Counsel's argument, it is not necessary to establish a sub- sisting statutory representative status before employees can enjoy the benefits of Section 7, and such benefits are not dependent on union representation for implementa- tion. The General Counsel further argues that following the election the pendancy of the proceedings to review the Regional Director's Supplemental Decision and certi- fication of the Union did not suspend the "obligation to recognize" the Union, and the Respondent acted at its peril in denying Smith union representation. The Charg- ing Party's position on the issue generally parallels that of the General Counsel. The Respondent argues, on the contrary, that Weingar- ten rights do not extend to employees who have not been represented at any time by an exclusive bargaining agent. Moreover, the Respondent contends that, in any event, no union representative was available at the time of Smith's request because none existed and no union offi- cial was shown to be anywhere near the plant. Under these circumstances, the Respondent claims that the Board's Decision in Coca-Cola Bottling Co. of Los Ange- les, 227 NLRB 1276 (1977), is applicable. There the Board held that a request for the presence of a specified but unavailable representative could not serve to inter- fere with the employer's right to hold an interview with the affected employee without delay. Lastly, the Re- spondent contends that the interview with Smith on Oc- tober 18 was not investigatory in nature, and that Wein- garten does not apply to conferences where the employ- ee is merely informed of a disciplinary decision. It is clear that in Weingarten, supra, the Supreme Court construed Section 7 of the Act as creating a statutory right for an employee to refuse to submit without union representation to an interview which he reasonably fears may result in discipline. Such right has its basis in the guarantee in Section 7 of the "right of employees to act in concert for mutual aid and protection." Weingarten. supra at 256. The parameters of employee rights under Weingarten have been set forth in numerous Board cases since 1975 and more recently in United States Postal Serv- ice, 241 NLRB 141 (1979). If an employee reasonably ex- pects that discipline may flow from an employer inter- view and makes a valid request for representation, the employer may not lawfully continue the interview of the employee without either granting the employee's request for representation or giving the employee the choice be- tween continuing the interview without representation or having no interview at all. The employee may waive his right to representation even after he has requested it, but he must do so with the knowledge of his lawful choices. United Postal Service, supra. A waiver will not be inferred simply because the employee continues in the interview after his request for representation has been rejected by the employer. Super Valu Xenia. a Division of Super alu Stores, Inc., 236 NLRB 1581 (1978). If the meeting with the employee is only for the pur- pose of announcing a previously determined decision on discipline and there is no attempt to question the employ- ee or engage in any manner of dialogue or interchange typical of an interview, a request for representation may be lawfully denied. Amoco Oil Company, 238 NLRB 551 (1978); K-Mart Corporation, 242 NLRB 855 (1979); cf. Certified Grocers of California, Ltd., 227 NLRB 1211 (1977), enforcement denied 587 F.2d 449 (9th Cir. 1978). Applying the foregoing authority to the instant case, I find that on October 18 Smith had a reasonable expecta- tion that the interview with Williams and Strong would result in some kind of disciplinary action. Indeed, the day before he had been interviewed and advised that his actions constituted a dischargeable offense. He could therefore anticipate that some form of punishment might be forthcoming. It is equally clear that Smith initially re- quested an employee witness at the interview and then a union representative. Accordingly, I find that a valid re- quest for representation was made by Smith. Contrary to the Respondent's argument based upon Amoco Oil Company, supra, that the interview with Smith was simply to announce a previously made decision to discharge him, I find that the meeting with Smith on Oc- tober 18 constituted more than a mere "get together" to announce a decision. Notwithstanding the fact that at the outset Williams related to Smith a decision to discharge him, that decision was clearly not a final and irrevocable one. Moreover, there followed, by Williams' own admis- sion, questions and answers of Smith which may proper- ly be characterized as an interview. While Williams could not specify the questions asked, I find it difficult to believe that Smith's responses played no part in the Re- spondent's ultimate reversal of its decision to discharge him. There would have been no need for Smith to wait outside the office after the interview if he had not said something to Williams and Strong which caused them to reconsider and check other sources of information. 40 These circumstances make this case more analogous to the Certified Grocers case, supra, than the Amoco Oil De- cision. In the former case, while it was argued that the discipline had been predetermined and disciplinary sanc- tions imposed, the Board found a violation of an employ- ee's Weingarten rights based upon the employer's further conversation with the employee on the subject for which he was disciplined after he had requested representation. In the Amoco Oil case the Board found no violation be- cause the employer there, immediately following the em- *o It i In this type of situation that representation for an employee can he most beneficial, for it is representation which seeks to insure that all factors rele'ant to discipline from the emploee's standpoint are set forth and considered ['['C, INI)USIRtES. [NC ltt 1166 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL, LABOR RELATIONS 1()ARD ployee's request for representation, announced the disci- pline imposed and dispensed with any further interview. There remains the question of whether Smith was enti- tled under Weingarten to representation at his interview with Williams and Strong by either another employee or the Union since the Union's certification had not been fi- nalized. The Board appears to have answered this issue most recently in Anchortank, Inc., 239 NLRB 430 (1978). In that case the Board found a violation of the Act in the denial of union representation to an employee during an interview at a time after the union had won a representa- tion election but prior to certification of the Union. The Board, noting that the thrust of the Court's concern in Weingarten "was with the right of employees to have some measure of protection when faced with confronta- tion with the employer which might result in adverse action against the employee," and observing that such "employee concerns remain whether or not the employ- ees are represented by a union," concluded that "the status of the requested representative, whether it be that of a union not yet certified or simply that of fellow em- ployee, does not operate to deprive the employees of the rights which they enjoy by virtue of the plain mandate in Section 7." Anchortank, supra at 431. See also Newton Sheet Metal, Inc., 238 NLRB 970 (1978); Glomac Plastics, Inc., 234 NLRB 1309 (1978). Based upon all the foregoing, I conclude that Smith had a reasonable expectation that disciplinary action would flow from his interview on October 18, that he re- quested either employee or union representation, that he was entitled to either employee or union representa- tion,41 and that the Respondent through Williams denied the request and continued the interview with Smith, which interview ultimately resulted in disciplinary action against Smith. Accordingly, I conclude that the Re- spondent, by denying Smith representation at the inter- view on October 18, violated Section 8(a)(1) of the Act. 11. Informing employees that an employee was discharged for union activities Employee Bobbie Alice Wilcox testified that she had a conversation with Supervisor McGirt on March 14,42 in the fabrication lunchroom during which Wilcox re- marked that she had heard that McGirt "had lost an op- erator due to union activity or soliciting for the Union." McGirt answered affirmatively and Wilcox asked who the operator was. McGirt informed her that it was Terri Drake. Wilcox then inquired what Drake had done and McGirt stated that she "was following another person to their job talking to them about the Union."4 3 Wilcox commented that it looked like she would have known better and McGirt agreed, adding that Drake was one of the best employees he had. 41 Since the Respondent denied Smith's request for union representa- tion, I find irrelevant the Respondent's argument that no union reprc- sentative as shown to be available. 42 This was at a time prior to Wilcox's insrvolement in union ati lty and before any knowledge by the Respondent of her union sympathies 43 As will be discussed below in consideration of the alleged discrimi- natory discharge of Terri Drake, the Respondent had a rule prohibiting union solicitation on worktime but did not enforce it McGirt, in his testimony, acknowledged the conversa- tion with Wilcox. While he admitted Wilcox had re- marked that she had heard that "we" had had a girl that was terminated, he claimed his response was, "Yeah, Terri Drake was terminated for interfering with Martha Bowers while she was trying to work." He denied that he told Wilcox that Drake was fired for union activity. Wilcox impressed me as a truthful witness. She was not cross-examined on her testimony regarding McGirt. McGirt was less persuasive and contradicted himself on cross-examination regarding his direct testimony that he had mentioned Bowers' name to Wilcox. I therefore find Wilcox to be the more reliable witness and I credit her version where it contradicts that of McGirt's. Based on Wilcox's testimony the General Counsel con- tends that McGirt's statement to Wilcox regarding Drake implied that Drake was fired solely for talking to an em- ployee about the Union and this constituted a threat in violation of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act. The Respondent argues, on the other hand, that even accepting Wilcox's version no violation has been established. Moreover, the Respondent adds that there was no evidence that McGirt's response to Wilcox was calculated to convey any type of threat to Wilcox. As will be seen below, Drake's discharge involved Drake's union-related conversations with employee Martha Bowers, which the Respondent contends, inter alia, interfered with Bowers' work. Thus, McGirt's re- sponse to Wilcox had some foundation in fact, and, in my opinion, implied not simply union solicitation or ac- tivity as the basis for Drake's discharge but rather im- proper conduct on her part in "following" an employee to her job to talk about the Union. Wilcox's admitted reply to the effect that Drake should have known better constitutes a recognition by Wilcox of some degree of misconduct by Drake based on McGirt's assertions as to what Drake had done. Under these circumstances, and without regard to McGirt's intentions, I do not believe that McGirt's statement may be fairly or properly con- strued as a threat that employees who engaged in legiti- mate union activity would suffer a fate similar to Drake's. I therefore find no violation of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act in McGirt's remarks to Wilcox. C. The Alleged 8(a)(3) Violations 1. The discharge of Terri Drake Terri Drake had been employed by the Respondent in August 1974, and had worked as an end finder in the fab- rication department on the "B" crew. Her last position prior to her discharge was as a rack auditor, which re- quired her to travel throughout her department most of her working time. It is conceded by the Respondent's witnesses that she was a good employee, and Drake testi- fied that she was not aware that she had received any "write-ups" or reprimands of any kind. The Respondent stipulated that there was nothing "wrong" with Drake's past employment record. Drake attended the first union meeting on March 8 and following that meeting she proceeded to the plant where she talked to employees in the parking lot about PPG; INDUSTRIES. INC. 1167 the Union and solicited employees to sign union authori- zation cards. Although it was her day off she returned to the plant on March 9 to solicit cards and talk to employ- ees in the parking lot. She also solicited employees to sign cards on March 10 and 11. Her name was included in the list of persons named to the in-plant organizing committee sent by the Union and received by the Re- spondent on March 10. On March 11, prior to her work- time she talked to employee Martha Bowers in the plant parking lot about the Union. Bowers did not sign a union card. Subsequently, on March 11, Drake, while on her way to take a work break, talked to Bowers in the plant during Bowers' worktime, and, according to Drake, Drake remarked to Bowers that she hoped that she had not upset her talking to her that morning. Bowers replied that she had not. Then Drake inquired if Bowers was going to a scheduled union meeting and Bowers replied that she did not think so because her husband was going to be working and could not go with her. According to Drake, Bowers did not stop working while Drake talked to her. Drake testified she left Bowers' work position after about 2 to 2-1/2 minutes and proceeded on to meet another employee to take a break with her. As she pro- ceeded away from Bowers' position she passed Supervi- sor Bobby Lumsden who was approaching. On March 12 Drake continued her union activity in the plant parking lot prior to her scheduled worktime. While in the break room just prior to starting work she was summoned by Supervisor McGirt to an upstairs office where McGirt told her that he was going to have to suspend her pending investigation and that she would have to leave the grounds. Drake departed but not before telling McGirt that she was going to the Labor Board about the matter. The following day Drake telephoned McGirt, who told her to come in and see Bob Kirkendall, personnel manager. However, upon reporting to Kirkendall's office at the appointed time, instead of meeting with Kirkendall she met with Supervisor Jim Williams, McGirt, and Em- ployment Supervisor Jerry Strong. Drake's request that employee Dorothy Krotz attend as Drake's witness was denied by Williams. Williams explained to Drake that a decision in her case might take longer, that he wanted to investigate the "whole plant," and that she was still sus- pended and there was a possibility that she could be ter- minated. Williams asked Drake her "side of the story" and Drake responded that she did not know why she had been suspended.4 4 Williams told her to leave and that he would be in touch with her by telephone. How- ever, as Drake was leaving, Williams received a tele- phone call and he told her to wait. After he hung up, he told Drake she was terminated "for approaching some- one, talking union on your break while they were work- ing." Drake was paid off and she left the plant. It was stipulated that a "Pay Off Authorization" form utilized by the Respondent and dated March 12, 1978, states as the reason for Drake's discharge that she was interfering with the work of another employee. 4 It is not disputed that up to this particular point in time Drake was not advised of the offense being attributed to her It is undisputed that Drake was never advised by the Respondent at any time the name of the employee she had allegedly interfered with. Moreover, although the Respondent contested Drake's subsequent claim for un- employment compensation, it offered no testimonial evi- dence in the unemployment compensation proceeding and again failed to identify whom Drake had interfered with. The State Employment Security Commission found Drake had not interfered with anyone and granted her claim for compensation. 45 Briefly stated, it is the position of the General Counsel and the Union that Drake had not interfered with the work of any other employee, and that the discharge of Drake for the reason asserted was pretextual. In support of this position the General Counsel and the Union point to a number of factors, including the Respondent's ad- mitted knowledge of Drake's union activity, the timing of the discharge at the start of the union campaign, the Respondent's alleged failure to fully investigate the inci- dent upon which the discharge was allegedly based, the Respondent's demonstrated union animus, and the dispa- rate treatment accorded Drake as compared to other em- ployees involved in similar situations but espousing the Respondent's cause against the Union. The Respondent takes the position that Drake was dis- charged on the basis of its belief that Drake had inter- fered with the work of Martha Bowers on March II, and such interference violated a posted rule prohibiting production interference. 46 In this regard, Foreman McGirt testiied that about March 12 Martha Bowers came to him accompanied by employee Ruth Chadwick and complained that she was tired of being harassed, that she could not do her work, and that Drake had come over on her job and tried to get her to sign a union card and had asked Bowers to come to a union meeting. Bowers, who McGirt described as upset and trembling, related that Drake had talked to her for about 15 to 20 minutes the preceding day, and had told Bowers not to tell Supervisor Bobby Lumsden what they had talked about or Drake would be fired. McGirt's testimony on what Bowers related to him was corroborated generally by Chadwick, but Chadwick said Bowers had claimed that Drake had talked to her only 10 minutes the day before. McGirt's description of Bowers as being upset was supported not only by Chadwick but by Nancy Cope, a plant nurse, who treated Bowers for her nervous condi- tion following Bowers' report to McGirt. Cope also testi- 4' GC. Exh 26 4' The posted rule, also contained in a handbook prepared by the Re- spondent, was set forth within a "Statement on Unionism" expressing the Respondent's opposition to unions The pertinent section relied on by the Respondent states: Everyone should also know that no person ill be allowed to carry on union organizing activities during working time and hat anybody that does so and thereby neglects his or her own ork or interferes with the work of others will be subject to serious disciplin- ar) action. The Respondent also maintained a rule in its supervisory manual which prohibited "unauthorized solicitations of employees during on-the-job worktime," but this rule was never published to employees and the Re- spondent conceded that it was not enforced PPG INDUSTRIES, NC. I li 7 1168 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BO()ARI) fled that Bowers had told her that Drake had "inter- fered" with her job asking her to sign some papers. 4 7 Following Bowers' complaint about Drake, McGirt contacted Williams, who in turn told McGirt to check with Employee Relations Manager Lee Waters since the matter involved the Union. Waters advised McGirt to suspend Drake and that was done with instructions for Drake to return the next day to see Williams. Williams' testimony regarding the discharge interview with Drake did not differ significantly from Drake's ver- sion. Williams explained that, while Drake was in his office, he received a call from Waters telling him to dis- charge Drake. Williams conceded that Drake, whom he described as a good employee and a "fine little girl," was never told who had complained about her.4 8 Martha Bowers was not called as a witness by the Re- spondent because of a written statement of her doctor expressing concern that exposure to the stress of a hear- ing might be injurious to her health. Accordingly, Drake's version of her encounter with Bowers on March II was not directly rebutted. However, the Respondent did present evidence through former employee Kim Bur- kehardt that Drake had also approached her while she was working on two occasions during the week prior to Drake's discharge and had talked to Burkehardt about the Union, the first time asking her to attend a union meeting and the second time indicating that she wanted Burkehardt to sign a union card. The conversations on both occasions lasted only a few minutes. Burkehardt complained to her mother, Gay Burkehardt, who was also an employee of the Respondent and a strong sup- porter of the Respondent during the union campaign. Gay Burkehardt thereafter complained to McGirt, who testified that he told Supervisor Lumsden to talk to Drake. In his testimony Lumsden did not indicate that he ever talked to Drake about Kim Burkehardt or interfer- ing with the work of any employee, although he stated that pursuant to McGirt's direction he told Drake about a week prior to her discharge not to interfere with her own work by too much talking. The Respondent con- cedes, however, that it did not rely on the Kim Burke- hardt-Drake incident in effectuating Drake's discharge. According to Waters, the Respondent relied basically upon the Bowers incident in discharging Drake. Having carefully considered Drake's demeanor while testifying and the content of her testimony, I credit Drake. She impressed me as being an honest and trust- worthy witness. Moreover, her testimony regarding the critical encounter with Bowers on March 11, stands without direct contradiction by Bowers. The absence of any actual interference with Bowers' work as claimed by Drake, in my opinion, is substantiated by Lumsden's tes- timony that on March 11 he talked to Bowers about a production matter immediately after Drake had left Bowers' position, but Bowers did not make the com- 4" The testimony of McGirt, Chadwick, and Cope on what Bowers re- ported to them was received as evidence bearing upon the Respondent's subsequent actions It was not received as evidence of the truth of what Bowers had reported regarding Drake's conduct. In view of their mutual corroboration, and in the absence of contradiction, I credit the testimony of McGirt, Chadwick, and Cope regarding what Bowers told them. '4 Drake testified that she did not learn that Bowers was involved in her discharge until she learned of it from the Board attorney. plaint to him about Drake which she so nervously re- ported the next day. Lumsdt,.'s testimony also substanti- ates Drake's regarding the time of the Bowers-Drake in- cident. Accordingly, I find and conclude that Drake, in talking to Bowers on March 11, did not interfere with her own work or that of Bowers. In addition, whatever the basis of Bowers' subjective distress, whether caused by her fear as a probationary employee of being dis- charged for union involvement or simply due to her emotional makeup, I am convinced that Drake engaged in no conduct with respect to Bowers which could rea- sonably be expected to evoke such distress. Drake's comments to Bowers on March 11 may be re- alistically regarded as union solicitation because she did invite Bowers to a union meeting. But the Respondent emphasizes in its brief that its rule was directed against work interference, not soliciting.4 9 And the testimony of Employee Relations Manager Waters was that Drake was discharged not for violation of any no-solicitation rule, but for interfering with the work of another em- ployee. The Act establishes and protects the right of em- ployees to engage in union solicitation even during working time in the absence of a valid no-solicitation rule and so long as there is no interference with produc- tion. Daylin, Inc., Discount Division d/b/a Miller's Dis- count Dept. Stores, 198 NLRB 281 (1972). Soliciting during working time does not constitute an ipso facto in- terference with production. Switchcraft, Inc., 241 NLRB 985 (1979). It follows from the above that Drake was engaged in a protected activity under the Act when she talked to Bowers. She did not breach a valid no-solicitation rule because on the Respondent's own admission it had not enforced any no-solicitation rule. Moreover, Waters in his testimony disavowed reliance upon Drakes' "solicit- ing" as a basis for the discharge. Drake, in her testimony which I have credited above, did not breach any rules against production interference because she did not inter- fere with the work of Bowers nor did she interfere with her own work since she was on her break during her talk with Bowers. Accordingly, I conclude that Drake was discharged for conduct protected under the Act. The fact that the Respondent may have believed that Drake had engaged in misconduct in connection with such ac- tivity, i.e., interference with Bowers' work, is no defense to the Respondent where that misconduct did not occur. Burnup & Sims, Inc., 379 U.S. 21, 23 (1964). I therefore find and conclude that the Respondent in discharging Drake violated Section 8(a)(3) and (1) of the Act.5 0 "' The Respondent was compelled to make this distinction in order to avoid a conclusion as to the discriminatory application of its rules against Drake based upon substantially uncontradicted and credible evidence produced by the General Counsel revealing that the Respondent had al- lowed solicitations by supervisors and employees for various causes, per- sonal and otherwise. during working time However, rules almost identi- cal to the Respondent's rule here have been previously considered by the Board to be lawful no-solicitation rules. See, e.g., Dixie Wire Corporation and Perfection Electrical Products, Inc., 182 NLRB 211 (197()) Pepsi-Cola Bottlers of Miami. Inc., 155 NI RB 527 (1965). "' This conclusion makes it unnecessary to consider the argument of the Geteral Counsel and the Union regarding the pretextual nature of Drake's discharge. PPG INDUSTRIES. INC. 1169 2. The discharge of Ronnie Bedsole Ronnie Bedsole was employed by the Respondent on January 3, and at the time of his discharge on August 14, he was working in the Respondent's fabrication depart- ment in the finished products area on the "C" crew under the supervision of Assistant Foreman Lindsay Owens. Bedsole's job as a waste handler involved the picking up of waste from operators in the finished prod- ucts area and taking it to the "waste house" where it was weighed out. According to evaluation forms filled out by his supervisors and submitted in evidence, Bedsole's work was satisfactory. Bedsole became involved in the union campaign in March, and the Respondent admits that it was aware of Bedsole's union activities. On August 14 Bedsole was working the midnight to 8 a.m. shift and was due 10-minute rest breaks at 2 a.m. and 6 a.m. Bedsole testified that at the time of the 6 a.m. break he was "trying to catch up on his work" and worked until 6:09 a.m. when he took his waste to the waste house which is a segregated and walled off portion of the plant. There, after weighing his waste, Bedsole sat down on a stack of burlap bags and closed his eyes for 2 to 3 minutes "thinking on how I was going to get my job done because I was a good ways behind." When Bedsole opened his eyes at 6:17 a.m.51 he was confront- ed by Supervisors Owens and Hartley. He was directed to accompany them to the fabrication foreman's office. On the way Bedsole asked what he had done and Owens replied that he had been found sleeping on the job. In the office Hartley also accused Bedsole of sleeping on the job and stated that there was no excuse for that. Bed- sole was sent home by Owens with instructions to come back and see Jim Williams at I a.m.5 2 When Bedsole returned to see Williams, he was told he was discharged for sleeping on the job. Bedsole testi- fied he had tried to explain that he had worked through his break to catch up on his job but this argument appar- ently did him no good. Although Bedsole's testimony was equivocal and contradictory regarding whether he ever claimed to Hartley, Owens, or Williams that he had not been asleep, he testified that in fact he had not been asleep when Hartley and Owens came up to him in the waste house. The General Counsel and the Union argue that Bed- sole was discharged because of his union activities and rely in this regard upon the general union animus reflect- ed in the Respondent's conduct violative of Section 8(a)(1) and upon Bedsole's testimony that he had not in fact been asleep. Moreover, it is argued in support of the discrimination contention that even if Bedsole was asleep he was asleep on his own time having worked through his normal break period, and other employees had slept during breaks as well as on the job without being dis- charged. The Respondent's evidence on Bedsole was presented through Hartley and Owens. According to Hartley, he was touring the area when he observed Bedsole in the sl Bedsole testified that he established the time by looking at a clock in the waste house s2 Sending employees home with instructions to come back and see Williams was, t appears, standard operating procedure in discharge cases waste house lying in a prone position on a stack of burlap. Hartley approached Bedsole and stood over him and then walked to a phone in the area and paged Bed- sole's direct supervisor, Owens. Owens came at or about 6:20 a.m. and Hartley pointed Bedsole out to him. Owens walked over to Bedsole and called his name twice before Bedsole "roused up." Thereafter, Bedsole was taken to the foreman's office where Hartley told him he had been found asleep on the job and he was sent home. Hartley's testimony was corroborated by that of Owens. Both tes- tified that Bedsole neither claimed to them that he was on a break or that he had not in fact been sleeping. Asked if Bedsole had attempted an explanation of his be- havior when he talked to Bedsole and discharged him, Williams testified that Bedsole stated only that he was tired because he had been working so hard but neither admitted or denied that he had been sleeping. Weighing the testimony of Bedsole on the one hand against that of Hartley and Owens on the other, I credit the latter. Bedsole in demeanor was unconvincing and his testimony was at times evasive, equivocal and contra- dictory. Thus, on cross-examination he initially testified that he did not say anything to Hartley or Owens about being asleep. On further questioning about any denials to them about being asleep he avoided direct responses by claiming he told them that he had had his eyes closed. Then he claimed that he specifically told them he was not asleep but then finally contradicted that by saying that all he said was that he had had his eyes shut. Bed- sole in his pre-hearing statement to the Board investiga- tor made no contention that he had denied to Hartley or Owens that he had been asleep. Accordingly, based upon the testimony of Hartley and Owens, I find and conclude that Bedsole was found by them in a prone posture under circumstances which would cause any reasonable person to believe that he was asleep, and that Bedsole never denied to them that he was asleep. I also credit Williams' testimony that Bedsole did not deny to him that he had been asleep. I also credit the testimony of Hartley and Owens that Bedsole made no claim that he was taking a late break. Such a claim, even if he had worked through his sched- uled break, was not likely to be believed under the cir- cumstances, including the secluded place where Bedsole was found. In an effort to show that even assuming Bedsole had been sleeping his discharge was nevertheless disparate and discriminatory the Ge-teral Counsel produced evi- dence to establish that other employees were allowed to take late breaks or extended breaks without discipline. This evidence, related in the testimony of employees Medford Shoaf, Jerry Williams, Linda Ridge, and Lida Smalley and former employee Doris Coates, was contra- dicted in part by the Respondent. Supervisor Jim Wil- liams admitted, however, that occasionally employees were allowed to take late breaks with the knowledge and permission of their supervisors and occasionally were al- lowed to take their breaks in work areas although this was not generally condoned and employees were expect- ed to take their breaks in the appropriate lunchrooms. The policy of taking breaks on a scheduled basis is set PPG INDUSTRIES. INC. 1170 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD forth in the employee booklet entitled "your Lexington Plant Guide," which states "All personal breaks are on a scheduled basis in order to maintain the efficiency of our operation." s3 The General Counsel's evidence on late and extended breaks is largely irrelevant because Bedsole was not dis- charged for taking a late or extended break. In any event, examination of the evidence on breaks reveals that late breaks were generally determined by work that needed to be done and not by the whim of the individual employee. The late breaks which were shown to be within the knowledge of a supervisor were taken with his specific permission or in accordance with a practice he had condoned. These instances of late breaks are dis- tinguishable from Bedsole's situation and do not serve to establish disparate treatment of him since there was no showing on his part of any need to work through the break period, that he had supervisory permission to take a late break in the place he took it, or that he had ever before taken late or extended breaks which were con- doned by his supervisor. Accordingly, I find no disparate treatment of Bedsole based on the Respondent's failure to equate Bedsole's sleeping in the waste house with the taking of a late or extended break. The General Counsel also produced evidence to show that other employees had been asleep on the job without incurring discipline or discharge. Thus, Lida Smalley and Doris Coates testified that they saw employee Thomas Terry in his work area asleep during a break around July 14, and Foreman Hartley, upon being called over, com- mented that he guessed Terry was "getting himself a little nap." Assuming, arguendo, the accuracy of the testi- mony of Smalley and Coates even though contradicted by Terry and Hartley, their testimony does not clearly establish that Terry slept on work time to the Respond- ent's knowledge. Moreover, any "napping" by Terry dif- fered in form and degree in comparison to the conduct Bedsole who had absented himself on worktime in a se- cluded area and dozed. Accordingly, I conclude that any failure to discipline Terry does not establish disparate treatment of Bedsole. The General Counsel also produced the testimony of employees Arthur Crowell, Coates, Lanning, and Jerry Williams to the effect that employee Mae Wateman oc- casionally dozed off while working on the night shift and standing at her work position without being disciplined. Crowell testified that he yelled at Wateman to wake her up while Foreman Owens was within hearing distance, but he could not state that Owens heard him or saw Wa- teman asleep. On the other hand, Coates testified that she once heard Owens tell Wateman to wash her face and wake up but she could not specify when this occurred. Accepting the testimony of the General Counsel's wit- nesses regarding Wateman's dozing it still does not pres- ent a situation comparable to that of Bedsole or substan- tiate Bedsole's claim of disparate treatment. In my opin- ion, there is a considerable difference in the conduct of an employee who dozes on her feet at her work station while performing a boring job and one who deliberately b5 G.C. Exh. 16. and surreptitiously leaves his work station to take a "nap" on worktime. Velma Hepler testified that on one occasion she had seen employee Annie King sitting at a fixer's bench with her head bowed when Supervisor Charles Godwin ap- proached her and kicked her on the foot and they laughed about the matter. King, called by the Respond- ent, denied that she had been asleep or that Godwin had kicked her foot. Rather, she claimed that the only super- visor who tapped her on the foot was "B" crew Fore- man Jerry Michaels and he had not found her asleep. King impressed me as a truthful and straightforward wit- ness and I credit her denial that she had been sleeping or caught sleeping. 54 The Respondent's position was that any employee caught sleeping on the job was automatically terminated. This position cannot be accorded complete credence be- cause of an employee personnel report form involving Sammy Gordon which was received in evidence by stip- ulation.55 That form, dated September 27, signed by a foreman named Bell, and approved by Area Supervisor Wattle and Employment Supervisor Strong, recorded the finding of Gordon asleep on worktime in an office in the quality control laboratory. There was no evidence pre- sented to show that Gordon was terminated or otherwise disciplined aside from the "writeup," nor was there any explanation on the record to explain the failure to termi- nate or discipline him. The circumstances of Gordon's sleeping would appear parallel to those of Bedsole and would clearly suggest disparate treatment of Bedsole. On the other hand, the Respondent produced uncontradicted and credible evidence that several other employees had been discharged for sleeping on the job. In this regard, Hartley testified that he was personally aware of one em- ployee previously discharged for sleeping, Ruth Cor- pentry. Owens testified regarding another, McMillen, while Michaels testified he was aware of two, Epps and Wyrick, that he had been instrumental in firing for sleep- ing on the job. Even employee Thomas Terry related that he was aware of two employees, Friday and Owens, besides Bedsole who were discharged for sleeping. This testimony appears to be borne out by the Respondent's records, for Personnel Manager Robert Kirkendall testi- fied that, after reviewing the Respondent's records for the past 10 years, it appeared that 34 employees had been terminated for sleeping on the job. A list56 compiled by Kirkendall from those records included the names relat- ed by Hartley, Owens, Michaels, and Terry. Considering all the foregoing, I am not persuaded that the General Counsel has established by a preponderance of the evidence that Bedsole was the victim of disparate treatment because of his union activities. Even if the Re- spondent has not been entirely consistent in discharging employees for sleeping on the job, I am compelled to conclude that it has done so in enough cases to preclude "4 Both Godwin and Michaels denied that they had caught King asleep. Michaels admitted, however, that he had once heard that King was asleep but upon checking it out found her awake but sitting on a fixer's bench and he simply told her to go to work G.C. Exh 37. ,6 Resp. Exh. 24. PP' INDUSTRIES. INC 1t71 a finding that Bedsole was the victim of disparate treat- ment. 57 I therefore find that the Respondent did not vio- late Section 8(a)(1) and (3) of the Act in discharging Ronnie Bedsole. 3. The termination of Donna Black Donna Black was employed by the Respondent in Jan- uary and worked as a production service woman under the supervision of Area Foreman Scott and Crew Fore- man Hartley until her termination on August 29. The classification of production service woman encompasses employees involved in a number of different job func- tions. Thus, Black had performed duties as a conveyor operator, rack stripper, segregator, waste stripper, and sweeper. She had also received training as an end finder and was apparently qualified to do that work. However. at the time immediately prior to her termination she was engaged primarily in segregating, a task which, accord- ing to Black, involved considerable lifting of yarn tubes weighing between 20 to 35 pounds. That Black had been involved in union activity to the knowledge of the Respondent is not in dispute. Black had signed a union card in March, and had been named to the in-plant organizing committee. The Respondent was advised of Black's membership on the committee by a letter from the Union dated April 24. The Respondent was also aware that Black was closely associated with another union supporter, Ronnie Bedsole, whom she sub- sequently married. Comments to Black by Supervisors Hartley and Scott concerning the Union and found by me to constitute violations of Section 8(a)(l) of the Act have already been noted. Black had completed her 6-month probationary period prior to her termination. Moreover, she had been told by Scott in late April that her work was satisfactory, al- though Scott did complain to her about remarks critical of Scott's work assignments attributed to Black by an- other employee, Vickie Poole. In July Black was advised by Scott and Hartley that she had been "written up" for having a bad attitude and having no respect for authori- ty. The discussion of Scott and Hartley with Black on the subject of the "write-up" included references made to other employees about Scott's work assignments. In- cluded in the written reprimand itself was a reference to a statement by Black to another employee that she in- tended to "take" Scott to the "Labor Board." While Black denied to Scott and Hartley that she had ever made such a statement, Hartley refused to omit the refer- ence to the alleged statement in the reprimand. 58 In the discussion with Scott and Hartley on the repri- mand Black complained that her work as a segregator was hurting her back. The discussion ended, according to Black's testimony, which I credit, without any specific resolution of Black's problem in this regard and there ap- pears to have been little talk about the matter. At an- 51 According to the uncontradicted testimony of Kirkendall, even a foreman's son, George Wray, had been discharged for sleeping on the job the month prior to edsole's discharge. as The complaint did not allege that this "'rite-up" violated he Act in any way, and at he hearing the General Counsel disasowed any alle- gation that it was unlawful The reprimand itself was never offered n evidence other time in mid-July. Black complained to Scott that her back was hurting her on the segregating job and asked Scott to put her on a rack stripping job. Scott, ac- cording to Black, stated that she had all the rack strip- pers she needed and that if Black could not do her job to take a leave of absence. Black continued to work as a segregator and contin- ued to have problems with her back. About August 8 Black complained to Hartley about her back, explaining that Scott had been unable or unwilling to assign her to some other job, and asked if there was something he could do. He said that he would see what he could do but later the same day told her to go see Dr. Strader, the company doctor. Black saw the doctor in the plant and told him of her back problem and related to him that she had "pulled" her back in the plant in February. She also explained she had injured herself years previously but the injury had related to her shoulders and head. She had been under chiropractic care for the earlier injury. Following an examination, the doctor advised Black that, if she could not be assigned a lighter job, she should take a 2-week leave of absence and see an orthopedic sur- geon. Subsequently, Black talked to Hartley, who told her that since her back problem was not job related she would have to take a leave of absence and see an ortho- pedic surgeon. Black agreed to a 2-week leave of ab- sence beginning August 11. She was examined by an or- thopedic surgeon, Dr. Watts, on August 16, who in- formed her that she had a chronic lombar strain and that she should do lighter lifting with no lifting above her head. On August 29 Black returned to the Respondent's plant and talked to Employment Supervisor Strong. Strong at that point had Dr. Watts' report as well as Dr. Strader's comments thereon. Strong stated that since Black's problem was chronic it probably would not im- prove and after checking with Hartley that they had no jobs that Black could do inasmuch as she was limited to no lifting above her shoulders. Strong stated that since there were no jobs for her she would have to be termi- nated. Black's payoff authorization dated August 29 states as the reason for termination, "Terminated because she is unable to perform her job due to personal physical reasons." The form, signed by Foreman Lindsay Owens and Strong, also contained the statement, "Do not rec- ommend rehire!" The General Counsel argues that the termination of Black was discriminatory and pretextual because there were many jobs in the plant which Black could have performed which would have been within the limitations placed on her by the findings of the doctors. Moreover, the General Counsel contends that the Respondent's ac- tions with respect to Black were inconsistent with its own policies regarding the routine granting of medical leaves of absence to employees of up to I year.5 9 The General Counsel further urges that the treatment of Black was disparate when compared with that of other "' An employee on a medical leave of ahbsence maintalned seniorit) and received some monetary compenisalion for a period of p o 2t, weeks 1172 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD employees who were not terminated or discharged be- cause of similar medical problems. The Respondent contends that its actions with respect to Black were consistent with its policies, including a policy, admittedly known by Black, that employees with nonjob-related injuries were not entitled to transfers to lighter work assignments. The Respondent viewed Black's problem as nonjob-related. According to the Re- spondent, and based upon the testimony of Strong and Hartley, in view of the nonjob-related aspect of Black's problem, and since there were no available jobs in the production service classification which Black could per- form with the apparently permanent restrictions imposed by the doctors, 6° the discharge was a natural and logical consequence of Black's back ailment. The Respondent denied that union considerations played any part in the termination of Black. The Respondent's ulterior and discriminatory motiva- tion with respect to its treatment and discharge of Black is found initially, in my opinion, in its rather arbitrary conclusion that Black's back problem was not job relat- ed. Black had complained to both Doctors Strader and Watts, who examined her, that, notwithstanding her shoulder and head problems stemming from her child- hood injury, her back problem began in February. While Black's testimony indicates that Strader did not believe her trouble was work related Watts had told Black that "no doctor could tell me where or when I hurt my back." Moreover, Watts' memo to Strader regarding Black's condition clearly reflects Black's claim that the back injury was sustained at work. Black's testimony also indicates that, when she initially hurt her back in Febru- ary, she informed Supervisor Scott and sought treatment by the nurse at the plant. Based on other record evi- dence establishing that written records were maintained of visits to the plant nurse, it is likely that any visit by Black to the plant nurse would have been recorded. However, no such record was submitted into evidence and the implication of Black's testimony is not contra- dicted. With the knowledge of Black's claims which could not fairly be disregarded, and notwithstanding Black's prior medical history involving her back and shoulder problem which Respondent was aware of prior to her employ- ment, the Respondent's failure to consider Black for reas- signment to lighter duty becomes highly suspect. Neither Strong, Hartley, nor Scott made any effort to ascertain if there were any jobs outside the production service classification which Black could perform. And this was so even though the Respondent allowed trans- fers between departments and did so, according to Per- sonnel Manager Kirkendall, based upon medical reasons. That the Respondent was making a determined effort to find a basis for terminating Black is evidenced by Strong's acceptance of Black's physical limitations im- 6g Strong testified that his determination of Black's inability to do other production service work was based upon a comparison of Black's limitations with a previously prepared analysis of the physical require- ments for such positions The analysis had been prepared a year earlier in connection with the Respondent's affirmative action program to hire handicapped persons All the production service positions required some reaching above the employees' shoulders. posed by Strader over those imposed by Watts, the spe- cialist who had examined Black. Thus, Watts had sug- gested only that Black not be required to lift weights above her head. Strader, based on Watts' examination and report regarding Black, and using a standardized form of the Respondent's, marked the form so as to indi- cate a much broader restriction preventing Black from working on jobs requiring "reaching above [the] shoul- der." It was upon this broader restriction that Strong concluded that Black could not perform any production service work. Comparing Black's physical ability based on Watts' narrower limitations with the physical job re- quirements on the Respondent's job analysis worksheets would have reflected her capability to perform other jobs in production service. Strader's advice and review regarding Watts' recommendations were clearly entitled to serious consideration by Strong, but Strong's ready acceptance of the broader restriction indicated by Strader, without questioning it further and in the absence of evidence that all the production service jobs required lifting weights above the head, supports the conclusion that the discharge of Black was pretextual. There is also substantial record evidence that the Re- spondent took a more lenient approach to other employ- ees' medical problems, including nonjob-related ones. It was the testimony of employee Margie Stevens that, fol- lowing a back problem she encountered in 1977 which the Respondent viewed as not work related, Stevens was given lighter work which she could do. In November of the following year when she again suffered another non- work-related back problem, Stevens was not put on lighter work but was allowed to take a 3-week leave of absence."' The parties stipulated to admit into evidence documents reflecting that employee Colleen Hunt, like Black, suffered a back strain which was not job related but was not discharged. Based upon another stipulation the record reveals that employee Rosell Lanier was as- signed lighter duties after returning to work following surgery for a nonjob-related condition. The record also shows that the Respondent freely granted leaves of absence to employees with medical problems without discharging or terminating them. Stip- ulated evidence reveals that employee Jack Rummange was given a I-year leave of absence during 1978 for a nonjob-related medical problem. When his problem did not improve and he was unable to return to work at the conclusion of his leave, his record was marked as volun- tarily quit, not discharged like Black's. Likewise, Peggy Barger suffered a nonjob-related back problem and was granted two extended leaves of absence in 1978 for that problem. She was not discharged even though her back pain was diagnosed by Strader as "chronic" as Watts had diagnosed Black's. Similarly, employee Betty Hunt was given several leaves of absence for a nonjob-related con- dition diagnosed as chronic and was not discharged. Em- ployee Sonya Speir was granted a leave of absence in 1978 for medical reasons, which leave was extended sev- eral times without discharge. 61 Under the Respondent's policies, a medical leave of absence could be granted and extended up to I year PPG INDUSTRIES, INC. 1173 Other uncontradicted record evidence reflects that the Respondent retained employees on leaves of absence for medical reasons for nonjob-related problems such as mental conditions, heart ailments, and even terminal cancer. Such employees were not terminated although there was apparently little hope that they would ever be able to return to work for even light duty. The foregoing demonstrates that the Respondent has not by any means been consistent in the application of its policies regarding the assignment of lighter work in nonjob-related injury situations and the granting of ex- tended medical leave to employees. Some deviations from general policies may well be explained by humane considerations. However, in my opinion too many excep- tions have been shown by the General Counsel to avoid the conclusion that Black was the object of disparate treatment. Assuming that Black's problem was not job related, and even though her condition was described as chronic, there was no reason shown why she could not have been put on medical leave until a position became available which she could have performed. The Re- spondent's failure to grant her such an option, particular- ly in view of its lenient approach to employees having similar problems, coupled with its refusal to reconsider Black for rehire at any subsequent time, clearly reveals a resolve to dispose of Black. 62 That resolve can only be understood in relation to Black's union support. I am persuaded by the foregoing that the Respondent's basis for discharging Black was a pretextual one as argued by the General Counsel. In view of the Respond- ent's clear knowledge of Black's strong union support, the Respondent's union animus revealed in the comments of Hartley and Scott to Black which I have previously found to be unlawful herein, Hartley's July reprimand of Black based in part on his belief that she had told an- other employee she was taking Scott to the "Labor Board," and the pretextual nature of the discharge of Black, I conclude that the General Counsel has estab- lished by a preponderance of the evidence that the Re- spondent's real motivation in terminating Black was her involvement in union activities. Accordingly, I find that the Respondent's discharge of Black constituted a viola- tion of Section 8(a)(3) and (1) of the Act. 4. The reprimand of William Timothy Parks The complaint alleges that the Respondent, through Crew Foreman Jerry Michaels in early May, enforced stricter work rules concerning employee movement within the plant in order to discourage employee union activity, and in keeping with the stricter work rules issued a discriminatory written reprimand to employee William Timothy Parks. In support of these allegations, Parks testified that he had been employed by the Re- spondent in 1971, and had continued to work for the Re- 62 Strong testified that he had terminated other employees "under cir- cumstances" like Black's, but there was no documentary evidence of such terminations. Since it i likely that the Respondent would have been able to substantiate Strong's estimony by documentary evidence had any ex- isted, I conclude that none did In the absence of corroboration by docu- mentary evidence or otherwise, and because Strong did not specify the other employees terminated "under circumstances like Black's. I do not credit his testimony in this regard spondent until he voluntarily quit in January 1979. In May, prior to his quitting, he had worked as an equip- ment repairman or "fixer" assigned to a group of glass furnaces referred to as single level furnaces and num- bered 501 through 506. It 'was Parks' responsibility to service or "fix" bushings through which glass fibers were drawn from the furnaces or furnace tanks. A second fixer was assigned to the Respondent's "double- level furnaces" numbers 507 and 508 while a third was assigned to the largest furnace, 509. Parks testified that the fixers rotated among assignments to the various fur- naces at 4- to 5-month intervals. The furnaces adjoin each other but numbers 507-509 are on a different level. Since each furnace covers an area of about 75 to 100 feet, there are several hundred feet between 501 and 509.6` For this reason "fixers" uti- lize a page boy so that they may be paged and called to a particular assigned furnace when needed. Parks testi- fied that he had been previously told that he could go and help other fixers on other furnaces when necessary and when caught up with his own assigned furnaces. Parks estimated that he helped other fixers and they helped him from one to several times a week. Moreover, according to Parks, his supervisor, Michaels, had ob- served him in the areas assigned to other fixers many times without indicating to Parks that he was in violation of any rules. In early May Parks went to another fixer, John Beck, on furnace 507 to obtain some collet knives, tools used by the furnace operators. Before going to Beck, howev- er, Parks stopped and talked for a "second" to another employee, Clodfelter. At that time Parks was ap- proached by Assistant Foreman Curtis Putnam who told him that Michaels wanted to see him in the office. Thereafter, Parks secured some collet knives from Beck and went to Michaels' office where Michaels in Putnam's presence inquired of Parks why he had gone to the 507 furnace. Parks explained that he had gone for some collet knives and Michaels told him not to go back to 507 again. Parks complained that he had never been told not to go to 507 before, but apparently agreed to stay on his assigned furnaces and was excused to return to his work. About an hour after his office confrontation with Mi- chaels Parks saw Michaels in the work area and inquired if he was going to write Parks up for being at the 507 furnace. Michaels replied that he was 64 and Parks asked for a copy of the writeup. Michaels asked what he wanted it for and Parks told him it was none of his busi- ness. A day or two later, still according to Parks, Parks talked to the department head, Norman Bell, about his employment record and the "writeup" by Michaels. Bell showed him his record, including a 1973 written repri- mand which Parks stated he had not been aware of. Bell explained that two writeups in 7-1/2 years was a pretty good record. Parks inquired if any other fixer had been 'a Michaels estimated that the distance between the beginning (of the first furnace and the end of the last was approximately a quarter of a mile "4 Parks' "sriteup" was dated May 10 1'PG NDUSTRIES. N. , , 1174 DECISIONS OF NA IONAL LABOR RELATIONS 13()AR) written up as P'arks had been for being on another fur- nace and Bell replied that he could not recall any. How- ever, Bell told Parks that nobody was out to get him and reminded Parks that he was supposed to stay in his as- signed work area. The General Counsel argues that the written repri- mand of Parks was in retaliation for Parks' union activi- ties and was thus a violation of Section 8(a)(3) of the Act. That Parks was engaged in union activities was not disputed by the Respondent and the Respondent did not deny knowledge of such activities. Parks had been on the Union's in-plant organizing committee and had worn union insignia and badges indicating union support in the plant on almost a daily basis after the Union's campaign began. The General Counsel also argues that the Re- spondent's restriction of Parks' and the other fixers' 65 movement to assigned work areas also constituted the imposition of a more stringent work rule which violated Section 8(a)(1) of the Act as well as 8(a)(3). The Respondent, through its witnesses, disputed Parks' testimony to the effect that fixers were free to leave their assigned furnaces whenever they were caught up. In this regard, Area Supervisor Robert Wattle, a superior of Mi- chaels, testified that fixers never really got "caught up." Moreover, he related that fixers were not supposed to secure equipment from other fixers because it interfered with an accurate determination of costs attributable to each set of furnace operations. Each furnace set was op- erated as a separate "cost center," according to Wattle. 66 Putnam testified that fixers were not free to go to the assistance of other fixers without supervisory permission. He admitted, however, that he occasionally sent Parks to help another fixer on other furnace sets. Assistant Fore- man Monroe Kennedy supported Putnam's version of the policies about keeping fixers on their jobs. So, too, did Michaels and Foreman Godwin. Fixer Leon Coppley, presented by the Respondent, supported the testimony of the supervisors and testified he had known for 5 years that it was against the Respondent's policy for fixers to leave their work areas. The Respondent, through person- nel Manager Kirkendall, contended that reprimands for employees being out of their work area were not unusu- al. Kirkendall estimated that he observed three or four such reprimands each month. With respect to the details of Parks' reprimand, Wattle testified that he had seen Parks away from his work area the week prior to his reprimand. It was not Wattle's habit to personally correct employees except in matters of safety or of substantial significance, but he did advise Michaels and Godwin of what he had seen and told them to see that it did not happen again. Putnam, who did not directly supervise Parks, related that, on the day of Parks' reprimand, he saw Parks talking to another em- s' Fixer John Beck testified for the General Counsel that after he heard of Parks' reprimand he asked Michaels about his work area and Michaels told him not to go to the single-level furnaces without permis- sion from supervision e6 Parks denied knowing of any "cost center" concept and testified he had not been told he could not secure equipment from other fixers Wattle conceded that employees may not have been specifically told about the "cost centers" but were aware they were required to secure equipment from supply absent permission from supervision. ployee, not a fixer, for about 3 minutes at the 507 fur- nace. 6 7 Putnam inquired of Parks what he was there for and Parks replied that he was there to get some equip- ment. Putnam reported the matter to Michaels, who told him to bring Parks in. The testimony of both Michaels and Putnam was that in Michaels' office Michaels chas- tised Parks for being out of his work area, told him that he was not to get equipment from another "cost center," and advised Parks that he was going to "put a repri- mand" on him for being out of his work area. Parks, Beck, and Cole impressed me as credible wit- nesses. Beck and Cole appeared in demeanor to be frank and truthful. Moreover, since they were employees at the time of the hearing and were giving testimony against their employer to their potential economic risk, such testimony was more likely to be reliable. Parks was vigorous and emphatic in his testimony. As a former em- ployee with no potential for economic gain depending upon the outcome of the proceeding, the probability of his testimony being truthful was greater. Accordingly, I credit Parks, Beck, and Cole where their testimony dif- fers from that of Michaels, Godwin, and Putnam. Based upon the credited testimony of Parks, Beck, and Cole, it is clear that the Respondent had maintained a permissive attitude regarding the movement of the fixers and their discussions and contact with each other at least on that particular shift. Under these circumstances, the sudden crack down or restriction on the fixers contact with each other is highly suspicious. The suspicion is in- creased by the fact that the reprimand of Parks was without a prior warning and smacks of entrapment. After all, Wattle's instructions to Michaels and Godwin after seeing Parks in another work area the preceding week was simply not to let it happen again. The logical way to prevent a recurrence would be to warn Parks. Yet, there was no warning prior to his reprimand. The suspicion as to the discriminatory nature of Parks writeup approaches certainty when one considers Parks credited testimony that not only had he and the other fixers on his shift been allowed to go to each other for work-related purposes and for assistance, but had in fact been told to do so by former Supervisor Tommy Bonds as well as Foreman Godwin. Under these circumstances, the fact that the Respondent had previously reprimanded other employees, not fixers, for being out of their work area becomes irrelevant. The foregoing, when considered along with the Re- spondent's demonstrated union animosity shown by its 8(a)(l) and (3) violations previously found, and the Re- spondent's keen interest in identifying the core union supporters and union "ringleaders" as reflected by its ad- mitted study and analysis of the union committee, clearly reveals the requisite preponderance of evidence that the writeup of Parks was in fact pretextual and discriminato- ry. Accordingly, I find that the writeup of Parks consti- tuted a violation of Section 8(a)(3) and (I) of the Act. In addition, since the restriction on the fixers' movement into each other's area without special permission, con- trary to past practice on Parks' shift at least, constitutes "' Fixer John Beck testified that Parks had also spent from 5 to 10 minutes with Beck in getting the collet knives from him. PPG INDUSTRIES, INC. 1175 more stringent enforcement of work rules on the fixers, and because that enforcement was responsive to Parks' union activities, I find, as alleged, that the Respondent violated Section 8(a)(l) by such enforcement. 5. The reprimand of Velma Hepler Velma Hepler worked as a sliver handler in the form- ing department under the general supervision of Crew Foreman Michaels. As a sliver handler it was Hepler's responsibility to monitor a "set" of approximately 12 to 15 positions or "bushings" through which glass strands are drawn from the furnace tanks onto winders located on a lower floor or level. Each position in the "set" is approximately 2 to 3 feet wide so that a sliver handler has to monitor an area 25 to 35 feet wide to insure that the strands are being continuously and properly drawn and wound. If the strand "breaks out" it is the sliver handler's duty to get the position set up and running again by "slivering" a new strand down to the winder. Efficient production requires immediate attention by the sliver handlers to any position breakout. The Respondent supports "team work" among the sliver handlers on adjacent sets and encourages them to help each other in their work where necessary and also to assist each other in the cleaning up of positions when the tanks are running smooth and breakouts are less fre- quent. Hepler had no written reprimands in connection with her work since beginning her second period of employ- ment with the Respondent in November 1976 prior to the beginning of the union campaign. Hepler was a strong union supporter, whose activities in this regard were well known to the Respondent. In fact, the Re- spondent had inserted the word "ringleader" by Hepler's name in its "Union Umbrella Committee Profiles." In early May, according to Hepler's testimony, she was working on a "set" of positions on the 508 furnace. Since the tanks were running "rough" on the next set to her requiring the full attention of Richardson, the sliver handler assigned to that set, Hepler undertook to clean up her position and Richardson's by washing the floor. In so doing, she washed up to the area between Richard- son's set, the last on 508, and the first set on 509. At that point she and Carolyn Owen, the sliver handler on the first set on the 509 furnace, engaged in a conversation of some 3 to 4 minutes in the doorway between the two furnaces; the door had been opened by Hepler to wash some trash through. According to Hepler, such conversations were not un- usual and she had engaged in such conversations within the presence of, or under the observation of, supervisors who had said nothing to her. While talking to Owen, Hepler was some distance from her own set but could see if any of her positions were to break out because a light would go on at a position where the winder stops indicating a breakout. While she was talking to Owen, Assistant Foreman Godwin came to the 508 furnace. When she completed her conversation with Owen, Hepler returned to her position where Godwin, still ac- cording to Hepler, told her, "Velma, you know I wouldn't say anything to you, but just be careful right now about being off your set." A few days later, after learning that Timothy Parks had been written up without any notice, Hepler inquired of Godwin if he had ever written her up without notice and he told her he had and told her it related to the day she had talked with Owen. Hepler asked why and Godwin explained that he did not want to do it but Mi- chaels directed him to do it. Hepler asked to see her re- cords and subsequently met with Godwin and Michaels in an office where Michaels read to her an "Employee's Personnel Report" signed by Godwin and dated May 8. The report was Godwin's account of having seen Hepler off her set and at another tank (furnace) talking to Owens. In the report, Godwin set forth that he had ex- plained to Hepler how important it was to keep watch on her set and "what could happen when she leaves her tank without proper permission." The report added that Godwin had told her that if this should happen again more action would be taken and Hepler had responded that she understood. In further conversations with Michaels and Godwin in the office, Hepler asked when the Respondent had start- ed writing people up without telling them and Michaels replied it had always been the policy. Hepler asked if they were attempting to "set her up" and they both denied it. Then Hepler stated she had done worse things and had not been written up. She asked Godwin, if someone in the "front office" told him to get rid of her, would he do it and Godwin answered with the question, "If you were supervisor and I was a sliver handler, wouldn't you?" Michaels then commented that Hepler had always been a good sliver handler and told her to go do her job and not to worry about it. Hepler asked how many writeups a person could get before being fired and Michaels replied that it depended on how serious it was but said some got fired after three and some had as many as seven or eight without getting fired. Hepler advised Godwin and Michaels that she would not thereafter wash floors and would not go off her set to do team- work. On May 26, Hepler was called into Michaels' office and in the presence of Godwin was asked to describe her job. She did so, leaving out teamwork and cleaning up. Michaels told her teamwork and cleaning up was part of her job too, but she replied she was not going to do it since she had been written up. Then Michaels said she had a bad attitude, was not doing her job, and was not as friendly as before, but Hepler contended that she was doing her job as she had always done it. Then Michaels remarked that maybe something outside the plant was what was wrong with Hepler lately. Hepler was corroborated by Carolyn Owen in her ver- sion of the events regarding the incident on which Hepler's writeup was based. Owen had not been repri- manded. Furthermore, Owen testified that talking among sliver handlers was not unusual even among sliver han- dlers on separate tanks. However, she admitted that Foreman Curtis Putnam in August had found her two sets away from her own and had inquired what she was doing there. She immediately returned to her own set and received no reprimand. PPG INDUSTRIES, NC. 1176 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD The General Counsel presented two other witnesses, Donna Rose and Linda Farnesworth, who credibly testi- fied that they had either witnessed or been involved in other conversations between sliver handlers, including Karen McGee and Joan Lambreth, on different tanks either in the presence of Godwin or Foreman Curtis Putnam. Neither Rose nor Farnesworth had been repri- manded for their involvement in any such conversations. On one occasion, however, Rose testified that Godwin had taken her by the arm and told her to do him a favor and go back to her set. Rose also testified that once, when talking to Godwin about Hepler sometime prior to the union election, Godwin had said, "We have been told that she is going to stay on her set, and we are going to see that the bitch stays there." Sandra Hollingsworth also credibly testified regarding a conversation she had with Godwin about August 20 regarding people being written up for being off their sets. Hollingsworth, referring to Hepler, told Godwin that he had one person in a situation where she did not know whether to go off her set to do teamwork or not, and that if she did not do teamwork he would be on her for that too. Hollingsworth added that that person did not know "which way to go or what to do." Godwin responded, according to Hollingsworth, "We want that person to feel that way, and we have intentionally done all of this to make her feel that way." As further evidence of the Respondent's animosity toward Hepler, Hepler testified that she had a conversa- tion with Foreman John Jones in August. Jones told her, so Hepler testified, that, since she was as active as she was, she had better be very careful; that "they" would get her if they could. In addition, she related that Godwin had once told her after her writeup that "they had to get stricter on us because that's the way things are now." The General Counsel contends that the reprimand of Hepler constituted the imposition of more stringent working rules on her and that the reprimand and the im- position of more stringent rules was retaliatory to her union activity and violative of Section 8(a)(3) and (I) of the Act. The Respondent contends that the reprimand of Hepler was warranted, that it was not inconsistent with its policies of reprimanding or writing up employees for being out of their work areas, and that the writeup of Hepler was not discriminatorily motivated. The Respondent's witnesses, Michaels and Godwin, do not dispute the basic facts which provided the basis for Hepler's writeup as testified to by Hepler. However, Godwin, contrary to Hepler's testimony, claimed that he had told her at the time of the event that he was going to write her up. Moreover, he stated that he had dis- cussed the matter of writing Hepler up with Michaels and Michaels had agreed, stating, "By all means." Godwin denied the remarks attributed to him by Hepler at the time of the writeup and at the time of the subse- quent interview with Hepler on May 26 when Michaels read the content of the writeup to her. Michaels' testimo- ny generally corroborates that of Godwin. Godwin denied the other remarks attributed to him by Rose and Sandra Hollingsworth. Likewise, Foreman John Jones denied that he ever told Hepler that the Re- spondent was out to get her. The Respondent also produced employee witnesses Karen McGee, Joan Lambeth, and Annie King, who tes- tified regarding the general rule that sliver handlers were not to leave their tanks. Both McGee and Lambeth denied they ever talked away from their tanks in the presence of supervisors. Nevertheless, they testified that as sliver handlers they had frequently left their positions to talk to each other when they were on separate tanks. According to Lambeth, "everybody" followed this prac- tice but she further testified that it was not done when any supervisors were around. In its brief the Respondent correctly points out that even Hepler admitted that she had been told many times not to leave her set and that the general rule in this regard was well known. The Respondent concedes that its supervisors were not infallible, however, and that there may have been occasions when employees bent the rules and supervisors turned their heads. However, it contends that it had not given up trying to enforce its rules and it had not lost its right to do so. The Respond- ent concludes that its motivation with respect to Hepler's writeup was pure and its approach through Godwin and Michaels to Hepler was always conciliatory and not per- secutory. 6 I have previously found Hepler to be an unreliable witness. However, I find it unnecessary to rely upon Hepler's testimony in determining the issue of whether her writeup was unlawful. This is because there is credi- ble evidence that the Respondent had followed a permis- sive approach to sliver handlers' leaving their positions to go to talk to other handlers on adjacent tanks. The testimony of Rose and Farnesworth clearly show that, notwithstanding their involvement in conversations with other employees outside their areas, they had not re- ceived writeups. Furthermore, even according to Lam- beth, presented by the Respondent, all the sliver handlers at times went away from their tanks and engaged in talk- ing. McGee's testimony was to the same effect. In view of this rather widespread violation of the rules regarding sliver handlers staying completely at their tanks, I think it not unreasonable to infer, contrary to the testimony of the Respondent's supervisors, that the Respondent was aware that its rules were breached with some frequency. This is not to say, and I do not conclude, that the Re- spondent made no effort to enforce its rules, for it is clear, even based on Rose's testimony, that it did. But its efforts were neither concentrated nor consistent, and, when enforcement of the rules was attempted, the Re- spondent's actions, again as in Rose's case, were gentle. Furthermore, the record is devoid of any other sliver handlers except from Hepler who received writeups for being out of position or away from their tanks.69 Under these circumstances, and in the absence of some prior sR While Hepler received another "writeup" on August 9, this time for horseplay and a water fight, it was not alleged to be discriminatory or violative of the Act. 69 Sandra Hollingsworth referred in her testimony to another sliver handler. Debbie Waltzer, who had been written up in late August, but the record is unclear whether Waltzer had received the writeup for being out of position or away from her tank. PPG INDUSTRIES, INC. I1177 warning to Hepler that the Respondent intended to more strictly apply its rules, it becomes clear that Hepler was the object of disparate treatment. In considering the motivation for Hepler's writeups. one must note to begin with that the Respondent had al- ready ascertained that Hepler was one of the "ringlead- ers" among the union activists. With this designation Hepler became a clear target for discrimination. Gos- nell's credited testimony, supra, confirms that the Re- spondent was not above singling out "ringleaders" for disparate treatment. That there was an obvious effort to set Hepler apart was shown by Sandra Hollingsworth's credited testimony regarding Godwin's comment to the effect that the Respondent's actions with respect to Hepler had been intentional in order to create some con- fusion on her part. Such confusion could only be expect- / ed, as I find the Respondent intended, to have an unset- tling and restrictive effect upon Hepler which would tend to interfere with her union ardor. While Hepler could not expect immunity from discipline by virtue of her union activity, she could expect equal application of the Respondent's rules to all employees and the imposi- tion of similar discipline to other employees violating the rules. Finally, other evidence of clear hostility toward Hepler is found in Rose's credited testimony that Godwin told her he was going to see that Hepler (re- ferred to by Godwin as "that bitch") stayed on her set. Godwin's uncomplimentary reference to Hepler would not likely have been provoked by a simple breach of the Respondent's rules. Considering the foregoing, and in view of the other violations of the Act found herein, including similar dis- criminatory conduct toward Parks, I find and conclude that Hepler's writeup was discriminatorily motivated within the meaning of the Act and that it therefore vio- lated Section 8(a)(3) and (1) of the Act. CONCLUSIONS OF LAW i. The Respondent is an employer engaged in com- merce within the meaning of Section 2(6) and (7) of the Act. 2. The Union is a labor organization within the mean- ing of Section 2(5) of the Act. 3. By unlawfully interfering with, restraining, and co- ercing employees as found herein by threatening to cease plant expansion plans because of their election of the Union, by threatening employees with loss of jobs in the event of their organization by the Union, by interrogat- ing employees concerning their union activities, by solic- iting employees to withdraw their union authorization cards by soliciting grievances of employees and promis- ing employees benefits to discourage their union support, by threatening employees that it would refuse to negoti- ate a union contract and would sell out, by threatening employees with plant closure in the event they elected the Union, by threatening employees with more onerous working conditions because of their union support, by more stringently enforcing work rules to discourage em- ployees in their union support, by requiring that employ- ees participate in employee interviews or meetings with- out representation where such representation has been requested by an employee and reasonable grounds exist for a belief that the matters to be discussed at the meet- ing may result in disciplinary action, and by actually im- posing discipline at such a meeting, the Respondent en- gaged in unfair labor practices in violation of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act. 4. By terminating employees Terri Drake on March 13, 1978, and Donna Black on August 29, 1978, and by reprimanding, in writing, employees Velma Hepler on May 8, 1978, and Timothy Parks on May 10, 1978, be- cause of their activities on behalf of the Union, the Re- spondent engaged in unfair labor practices in violation of Section 8(a)(3) and (1) of the Act. 5. The aforesaid unfair labor practices affect commerce within the meaning of Section 2(6) and (7) of the Act. 6. The Respondent did not violate Section 8(a)(3) and (1) of the Act by discharging Ronnie Bedsole. 7. The General Counsel has not established by a pre- ponderance of evidence that the Respondent has violated the Act as alleged in the complaint except to the extent noted in paragraph 3 above. THE REMEDY Having found that the Respondent has engaged in cer- tain unfair labor practices, I shall recommend that it cease and desist therefrom and that it take certain affirm- ative action necessary to remedy the unfair labor prac- tices and to effectuate the policies of the Act, including the usual posting of an appropriate notice. Having found that the Respondent unlawfully required Hugh Smith to participate in an employee interview or meeting without requested representation, and, pursuant to such meeting, issued a written reprimand to Smith, I shall recommend that the Respondent be ordered to revoke and expunge from its records the written repri- mand given to Smith. Since I have found that the writ- ten reprimands issued to Timothy Parks and Velma Hepler were discriminatorily motivated in violation of Section 8(a)(3) of the Act, I shall recommend that the Respondent be likewise ordered to revoke and expunge from its records those written reprimands. Since I have found that the Respondent terminated Terri Drake in violation of the Act, I find it necessary to order it to offer her immediate and full reinstatement without prejudice to her seniority or other rights and privileges previously enjoyed, and make her whole for any loss of earnings she may have suffered by reason of her termination. Backpay with interest thereon is to be computed in the manner prescribed in F. W Woolworth Company, 90 NLRB 289 (1950), and Florida Steel Corpo- ration, 231 NLRB 651 (1977).70 1 take administrative notice of the fact that Drake was also the object of dis- crimination by another employer subsequent to her ter- mination by the Respondent herein, and that, following a hearing and Board decision in that case, the employer there was ordered to offer employment to Drake and to pay her backpay for the period of the discrimination. 70 See. generally, Isis Plumbing & Healing Co., 138 NLRB 716 1962) The General Counsel in a supplemental brief aruges for a 9-percent inter- est rate on the backpay So long as Florida Steel represents the Board's policy with respect to applicable interest rates, however. I am obligated to follow that policy PPG INDUSTRIES, INC. 1 7 1178 DECISIONS OF NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD Young Hinkle Corporation, 244 NLRB No. 45 (1979). Any rights relative to the ascertainment of backpay due Drake from the Respondent herein and Young Hinkle Corporation may be resolved in compliance proceedings. See N.L.R.B. v. Louisville Chair Company, Inc., 385 F.2d 922, 926 (6th Cir. 1967), enfg. 161 NLRB 358 (1966), cert. denied 390 U.S. 1013 (1968). I have also found that the Respondent unlawfully ter- minated Donna Black and I shall recommend that she, too, be reinstated without prejudice to her seniority and other rights and privileges previously enjoyed. However, because Black was physically unable to perform the job which she held immediately prior to her termination and since the physical condition which caused that inability persisted at the time of the hearing herein, I shall recom- mend that she be reinstated to a substantially equivalent position for which she is physically able and otherwise qualified.7 ' Backpay for Black shall be computed in the same manner as for Drake. Upon the foregoing findings of fact, conclusions of law, and the entire record, and pursuant to Section 10(c) of the Act, I hereby issue the following recommended: ORDER 7 2 The Respondent, PPG Industries, Inc., Lexington Plant, Fiber Glass Division, Lexington, North Carolina, its officers, agents, successors, and assigns, shall: 1. Cease and desist from: (a) Threatening employees with cessation of plant ex- pansion plans because of their selection of a union as a collective-bargaining representative. (b) Threatening employees with loss of jobs because of their activities on behalf of any labor organization. (c) Interrogating employees concerning their union ac- tivities and desires. (d) Threatening employees that it would refuse to ne- gotiate a contract with a union and would sell out if they select a union to represent them. (e) Threatening employees with plant closure in the event they elected a union. (f) Threatening employees with more onerous working conditions because of their union support. (g) Unlawfully soliciting employees to withdraw their union authorization cards. (h) Soliciting grievances from employees and promis- ing them benefits to discourage their union activities and support. (i) More stringently enforcing work rules to discour- age employees in their union support. 1' Notwithstanding the Respondent's evaluations of the physical re- quirements of the production service jobs, it was Black's testimony that there was a number of such jobs in which she was qualified and which she was physically able to do. However, the reinstatement order here provided does not require the Respondent to keep Black on any produc- tion service job if she proves unable to satisfactorily perform the work. See The Dayton Tire 4 Rubber Company, a Division of the Firestone Tire & Rubber Company, 227 NLRB 873 (1977). 72 In the event no exceptions are filed as provided by Sec. 102.46 of the Rules and Regulations of the National Labor Relations Board, the findings, conclusions, and recommended Order herein shall, as provided in Sec. 102.48 of the Rules and Regulations, be adopted by the Board and become its findings, conclusions, and Order, and all objections thereto shall be deemed waived for all purposes. (j) Requiring that employees participate in employee interviews or meetings without representation where such representation has been requested and where em- ployees have reasonable grounds to believe that the mat- ters to be discussed at such meetings may result in disci- plinary action, and actually imposing disciplinary action at such meetings. (k) Discharging, issuing written reprimands to, or oth- erwise discriminating against any employee for support- ing Chauffeurs, Teamsters and Helpers Local Union No. 391, affiliated with International Brotherhood of Team- sters, Chauffeurs, Warehousemen and Helpers of Amer, ica, or any other labor organization. (I) In any like or related manner interfering with, re- straining, or coercing employees in the exercise of rights guaranteed them in Section 7 of the Act. 2. Take the following affirmative action which is nec- essary to effectuate the policies of the Act: (a) Offer Terri Drake immediate and full reinstatement to her former job or, if her former job no longer exists, to a substantially equivalent position, and offer to Donna Black immediate reinstatement to a job substantially equivalent to her former job and for which she is quali- fied and physically able, the reinstatement with respect to both Drake and Black to be without prejudice to their seniority or other rights and privileges, and make them whole for any loss of earnings or benefits they may have suffered by reason of the discrimination against them as set forth in the section of this Decision entitled "The Remedy." (b) Revoke and expunge from their personnel records the written reprimands of Velma Hepler dated May 8, 1978, of William Timothy Parks dated May 10, 1978, and of Hugh Smith dated October 18, 1978. (c) Preserve and, upon request, make available to the Board or its agents, for examination and copying, all payroll records, social security payment records, time- cards, personnel records and reports, and all other re- cords necessary to analyze the amount of backpay due under the terms of this Order. (d) Post at its Lexington, North Carolina, plant copies of the attached notice marked "Appendix." 7 3 Copies of said notice, on forms provided by the Regional Director for Region 11, after being duly signed by the Respond- ent's authorized representative, shall be posted by the Respondent immediately upon receipt thereof, and be maintained by it for 60 consecutive days thereafter, in conspicuous places, including all places where notices to employees are customarily posted. Reasonable steps shall be taken by the Respondent to insure that said notices are not altered, defaced, or covered by any other materi- al. 73 In the event that this Order is enforced by a Judgment of a United States Court of Appeals, the words in the notice reading "Posted by Order of the National Labor Relations Board" shall read "Posted Pursu- ant to a Judgment of the United States Court of Appeals Enforcing an Order of the National Labor Relations Board." PPG INDUSTRIES, INC. 1179 (e) Notify the Regional Director for Region 11, in writing, within 20 days from the date of this Order, what steps the Respondent has taken to comply herewith. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the complaint be dis- missed insofar as it alleges violations of the Act not spe- cifically found. Copy with citationCopy as parenthetical citation