El Paso Healthcare System, Ltd. d/b/a Las Palmas Medical Center

National Labor Relations Board - Administrative Judge Opinions

Sep 29, 2011

28-CA-023368 (N.L.R.B. Sep. 29, 2011)

JD(SF)–38-11
El Paso, Texas
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
BEFORE THE NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD
DIVISION OF JUDGES
SAN FRANCISCO BRANCH OFFICE
EL PASO HEALTHCARE SYSTEM, LTD.
d/b/a LAS PALMAS MEDICAL CENTER
and Case No. 28-CA-23368
NATIONAL NURSES ORGANIZING COMMITTEE –
TEXAS/NNU
Liza Walker-McBride, Esq.,
for the General Counsel.
Paul R. Beshears, Esq.,
for the Respondent.
Brendan White, Esq.,
for the Charging Party.
DECISION
STATEMENT OF THE CASE
GERALD M. ETCHINGHAM, Administrative Law Judge. This case was tried in El Paso,
Texas, on June 28 and 29, 2011. The National Nurses Organizing Committee—Texas/NNU
(Union) filed the initial charge on February 11, 2011,1 which was amended subsequently on
March 25, 2011, and April 29, 2011, and the Acting General Counsel issued the complaint on
April 29, 2011. The complaint alleges that Respondent violated Section 8(a)(1) of the Act by
refusing two employees, Karin Moore and Ida Catherine Toth, on separate occasions, their
Weingarten2 rights to union representation at Respondent’s investigatory interviews on
August 14 and October 13, respectively. The complaint also alleges the unlawful acts of
interrogating and threatening employees concerning the exercise of the same Weingarten rights.
Respondent filed an answer denying the essential allegations of these four claims in the
complaint.
As the trial commenced, counsel for the Acting General Counsel sought leave to make
two 8(a)(1) allegation amendments to the complaint. One is the promulgation and maintenance
of an overly broad rule with respect to discussing certain terms and conditions of employment

1 All dates are in 2010 unless otherwise indicated.
2 NLRB v. J. Weingarten, Inc., 420 U.S. 251 (1975).
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that arose out of one of the Weingarten allegations. This charge was alleged in the 1st charge but
dropped out of the 2nd amended charge and did not make the complaint. (GC Exh. 1.)
As to the first proposed oral amendment of the complaint, about unilaterally adopting an 5
overbroad rule, I find that by amending its charge a second time and dropping out the allegation
of an overbroad rule from the charge and the complaint, Charging Party and Acting General
Counsel waived the right to resurrect the charge at trial having lulled Respondent into thinking
that it did not need to defend the charge. It is improper for the judge to find a violation based on
an unalleged theory where the General Counsel’s representations would reasonably have led the 10
respondent to believe that it would not have to defend itself on that basis. Buonadonna ShopRite
356 NLRB No. 115 (2011); and Laborers Local 190 (VP Builders, Inc.), 355 NLRB No. 90
(2010). Because Respondent did not have adequate prior notice of the intended resurrection of
claim, allowing it here would be unjust and provide undue prejudice to Respondent who
basically was served with this notice at trial without a valid reason for the delay in moving to 15
amend sooner. (Tr. 37.) 3
The second new oral charge at trial is an alleged December 2010 creation of the
impression of surveillance. I find that this new charge constituted an entirely new matter
unrelated to the three charges in this case or the corresponding allegations. I find that permitting 20
this amendment would deprive counsel for the Respondents of any opportunity to prepare a
defense to this newly raised allegation. As a result, applying Folsom Ready Mix, Inc., 338 NLRB
1172 fn. 1 (2003), I also denied the motion to allow this amendment. (Tr. 37–38).
Also, Respondent renewed its motion for partial summary judgment denied without 25
prejudice earlier by the Board. I denied the motion based primarily on the arguments that there is
hearsay in the exhibits, a lack of foundation, a factual ambiguity, and a lack of authenticity
concerning various alleged events including the email exchange between Ms. Aguilar and Ms.
Toth in 2010 as to the alleged purpose of the interview and resulting coaching report.
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After the trial, the Acting General Counsel, Respondent, and Charging Party filed closing
briefs on August 3, 2011 (GC Br., R. Br., and CP Br., respectively), which I have read and
considered. Based on the entire record in this case,4 including the testimony of the witnesses and
my observation of their demeanor, I make the following:
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FINDINGS OF FACT
I. JURISDICTION

3 Acting General Counsel requests that I reconsider my ruling from the bench as to her request that I
allow the additional claim to the complaint concerning the alleged overly broad email policy, grant the
motion for reconsideration, admit GC Exh. 7 into the record, and find against Respondent for an addition
violation of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act. (GC Br. at 19–20). For the reasons stated above, I deny the
motion for reconsideration.
4 I hereby correct the transcript as follows: Tr. 161, line 18: “no” should be deleted.
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El Paso Healthcare System, Ltd. d/b/a Las Palmas Medical Center (Respondent) is a
Texas corporation, a full service hospital with a facility and place of business in El Paso, Texas,
and has been engaged in the business of operating a full service medical care center. During the
12-month period ending February 11, 2011, Respondent admits that it derived gross revenues in 5
excess of $250,000 and purchased and received at the Respondent’s facility goods valued in
excess of $50,000 directly from points outside of Texas. Furthermore, Respondent admits and I
find accordingly, that Respondent is an employer engaged in commerce within the meaning of
Section 2(2), (6), and (7) of the Act and has been a health care institution within the meaning of
Section 2(14) of the Act. Respondent further admits and I also find that the Charging Party is a 10
labor organization within the meaning of Section 2(5) of the Act.
II. ALLEGED UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICES
A. The Union Certification at Respondent on June 715
On June 7, Respondent’s registered nurses (RNs) voted to join the Union which was
certified as the exclusive collective-bargaining representative of the unit employee RNs (Unit
RNs) described as follows:
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INCLUDED: All full-time, regular part-time, and per diem Registered Nurses,
employed by the Employer [Respondent] at 1801 N. Oregon Street, El Paso,
Texas.
EXCLUDED: All other employees, confidential employees, physicians, nurse 25
and/or clinical educators or coordinators, clinical nurse specialists, clinical
coordinators, case managers/utilization review and/or discharge planners, nurse
practitioners, accounting or auditing RNs, infection control/employee health
nurses, risk management/performance improvement and/or quality assurance or
quality management nurses, employees of outside registries and other agencies 30
supplying labor to the Employer [Respondent], already represented employees,
permanent charge nurses, managerial employees, guards and supervisors as
defined by the Act.
(G C Exhs.5 1 and 2.)35
Respondent’s vice-president of human relations, Timothy Meeks has represented
Respondent’s management at collective-bargaining agreement negotiations over the past year.6
Tr. 134, 207–208. On June 25, the Union notified Respondent of the identity of the Union’s
rank-and-file nurse representatives otherwise known as the union’s shop stewards. (GC Exh. 3.)40
Anna T. Barker (Barker), an RN in the Respondent’s neo-natal intensive care unit nursery
(NICU) for the past 4 years, has represented the Union at collective-bargaining sessions. Barker
and Lucia Adams (Adams) both have been the designated nurse unit representatives or stewards

5 Hereafter - GC Exh., R. Exh., and CP Exh. as appropriate.
6 As of time of trial, there was no binding collective-bargaining agreement between Respondent and
Union though negotiations continue between Respondent’s management and the Union to sign a final
written agreement.
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(nurse representatives) for the Union at all relevant times since the June certification.7 (Tr. 50,
144; GC Exh. 3 at 2.)
For the past 6 years, Barker and Adams have been supervised by Respondent’s NICU5
director, Arleen Casarez-Aguilar (Aguilar), who supervises all of the NICU nurses and the
newborn department which consist of several different wards occupying a wing of the hospital.
(Tr. 38–39.) The infants are divided into levels based on varying degrees of health needs and as
director, Aguilar is responsible for discipline of the Departments’ RNs who report to her. (Tr.
38–43, GC Exhs. 1(g) and 4.) 10
B. Respondent’s Evolving Disciplinary Process After Union Certification
Before the Union was certified, Aguilar would regularly allow an RN under investigation
the right to have another RN present as a witness at any investigatory interview she conducted on 15
the condition that the RN witness could not speak in participation at the meeting nor were they
allowed to take notes. (Tr. 59.) Also before union certification, Respondent would occasionally
issue its employees “coaching” reports that included “counseling” references within that Aguilar
would maintain as a “shadow” file in her office concerning incidents which could result in
discipline if a nurse accumulated some unknown number of these “coaching” reports in 20
Aguilar’s personal “shadow” file for each employee. (Tr. 228–229, 235, 238–239; GC Exh. 9 at
3.) Sometime after late August, Respondent’s management actively sought to distinguish the
“coaching” report from a “counseling” report to create the impression that the earlier “coaching”
reports had no effect on discipline decisions.8 Beginning on August 25, the NICU charge nurse
“New Business” agenda listed “Counsel forms” as a new item. (GC Exh. 9 at 1.)25
Yolanda Carrillo (Carrillo), Respondent’s human resources director, was familiar with
Respondent’s “Coaching” report form and credibly confirmed that it is maintained in Aguilar’s
“shadow” file for each NICU RN she supervises. Carrillo further opined that an RN’s
accumulation of coaching reports could lead to counseling or other disciplinary actions taken by 30
Respondent against the RN who accumulated some unknown number of coaching reports. (Tr.
227–229, 238–239.) She further confirmed that this is an unwritten policy at Respondent as there
has been no formal written policy or document disseminated to Respondent’s employees to
explain “counseling” versus “coaching” reports. (Tr. 239.) As of August 25, the Employee
Coaching Report form used by Respondent began with “This Counseling record has been 35
reviewed with me” and further provides that this “counseling record will be placed in my
personnel file.” (GC Exh. 9 at 3.)9 In addition, Respondent’s labor relations manager, Leonard

7 Nurse representatives receive specialized training regarding an employee’s rights and protections
during meetings with supervisors. (Tr. 134–135.)
8 I find that at all times relevant here the “Coaching” reports were interchangeable with Respondent’s
“Counseling” reports which became separately formalized in use after the union certification in June in an
attempt by Respondent to separate “coaching” from “counseling” events. I further find that Respondent
created the new separate forms to distance itself from the fact that it was using its “Coaching” reports as a
form of discipline for its RNs up through the incidents involving Unit RNs Moore and Toth in this case.
(See Tr. 236–239, 242–243; GC Exhs. 5, 9 at 1 and 3, 11, and 14 at 1, 8–9.)
9 Respondent did not provide evidence showing when its counseling report first came into existence
and its coaching report form was revised to eliminate the “counseling” references before 2011. However,
it appears that by September 10, Respondent was using a revised coaching report. Yet in December,
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Ochart further admitted that Respondent does not have a formal written discipline policy but,
instead, has the practice outlined in Respondent’s Employee coaching and counseling reports.
(Tr. 16, 52; GC Exh 5.) These documents were submitted by Respondent in response to the
Union’s June 2011 request for all disciplinary policies. (GC Exh. 5.)5
After the Union was certified in June, Respondent conducted union training for its
management personnel, including Aguilar, via a July 7 PowerPoint presentation entitled “Post-
election Issues,” which included disclosure of the RNs’ newly gained Weingarten rights. (Tr. 43-
44, GC Exh. 8 at 2.) In addition, by letter dated June 25, Aguilar was notified that Nurse 10
Representative Adams had been selected as a nurse representative.10 (Tr. 49–50; GC Exh. 3 at 2.)
Later, Barker told Aguilar that she too was a nurse representative for the Union.11 (Tr. 49-50.)
Despite this training, however, Aguilar admittedly was confused about the role of the Union after
its certification at Respondent, its nurse representatives, and her changed responsibilities as a
supervisor in a unionized workplace. (Tr. 38, 44, 56; GC Exh 8 at p.2.)15
C. Karin Moore’s August 14 Investigatory Interview
1. Events leading to August 14 meeting
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Karin Moore (Moore) was employed by Respondent as a NICU RN from July 2009 until
April 2011. (Tr. 157.) She was supervised by Director Aguilar like all other unit RNs.12 (Tr. 39,
157.) After certification in June, Moore was a unit RN and a nurse representative like Adams and
Barker. (Tr. 135–136.)
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Early Saturday morning on August 14, Moore arrived at her work to find out that on her
previous day shift on Friday, she had mistakenly connected the wrong intravenous (IV) line
containing sugar solution to a premature infant’s umbilical arterial line. (Tr. 46, 158.) This error
destabilized the baby’s blood sugar and during the night medical intervention became necessary
to correct the problem compounded by the fact that another RN, Donald Tanner (Tanner), 30
following Moore in the care of the infant, also did not immediately recognize the problem which
delayed corrective action until sometime Friday night. (Tr. 47, 158–159, 162, 174; CP Exh. 1.)

Respondent simply crossed-out the word “Coaching” and replaced it with “Counseling.” (See GC Exhs.
5, 11, and 14.)
10 While Aguilar was evasive as to whether she recalled seeing Nurse Representative Adams’ name
specifically identified under NICU on the June 25 email list of nurse representatives to Respondent,
Aguilar initially admitted seeing the list and knowing nurse representative Adams was a listed Nurse
Representative. Observing Aguilar at hearing, I do not find her testimony credible that she did not know
that Adams was a nurse representative at the time of the August 14 meeting discussed below. (See Tr. 49–
52.)
11 Aguilar was more comfortable communicating with Barker than with the other nurse
representatives after union certification. (Tr. 139-140.)
12 While Director Aguilar supervised all of Respondent’s NICU RNs, permanent and temporary
charge nurses also provided daily input and evaluated unit RNs like Moore and Toth. (See fn. 15 below.)
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On discovering her serious mistake, Moore felt panicked and was very upset about the
incident though by the start of her shift Saturday morning the baby’s condition had stabilized and
temporary or relief Charge Nurse Smitha Philip (TCN Philip) assigned Moore to return to her
care of the infant. (Tr. 159-160, 165–166.) After learning that Supervisor Aguilar was called in 5
to the hospital and anticipating an investigative meeting resulting from her mistake, Moore
approached Nurse Representative Adams Saturday morning at approximately 7 a.m. and asked
her if she could accompany her to any meeting with Aguilar as her nurse representative. (Tr.
145–146, 161–162.) Nurse Representative Adams agreed to assist Moore as a nurse
representative and the two nurses continued their regular nurse duties awaiting the anticipated 10
meeting with Aguilar some time later that morning. (Tr. 134–135, 145–146, 161.)
As stated above, Aguilar learned of the incident involving Moore’s mistake early on the
morning of Saturday, August 14, when she received a telephone call at her home on her day off.
(Tr. 45–46.) Aguilar went to the hospital early Saturday morning to find out more about the 15
incident from the charge nurse, patient chart notes, and later-planned interviews with Tanner and
Moore. (Tr. 46-47, 162.) Aguilar also organized a staff “huddle”13 to discuss the previous day’s
medication error and a reminder to double check that IV lines were connected correctly. (Tr. 47.)
The timing of Aguilar’s actions is not in dispute as she arrived at the hospital at 20
approximately 8 a.m. (Tr. 46, 151.) Aguilar then spent approximately 30 minutes talking to
Swanda George, the charge nurse who had contacted her about the emergency, and reviewing
information about the incident from patient chart notes, medication orders, and other nurses’
notes. (Tr. 47.) Aguilar requested that Tanner and Moore meet with her separately later that
morning. (Tr. 47, 162.) The “huddle” lasted an additional 5 minutes and Aguilar then waited 25
approximately 15 minutes for the off going shift to finish giving patient reports to the new shift.
(Tr. 47–48, 85.)
Aguilar next met briefly with night shift RN Tanner as part of her investigation before
asking Moore if she was ready to meet as part of her investigation of the incident. (Tr. 47–49, 30
162.) This took place approximately 45–60 minutes after Aguilar’s arrival at the hospital and
Moore responded that she was ready to meet. (Tr. 49, 56–57.) Sometime between the time
Moore asked Nurse Representative Adams to be present at the anticipated meeting and the time
of the actual meeting, Moore requested and Aguilar agreed that Nurse Representative Adams
could attend the meeting as her representative. (Tr. 49–50, 56, 162; GC Exh. 3 at 2.)35

13 An informal meeting wherever a group of nurses can gather at the hospital for communications and
discussions for improvement and training.
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2. Moore’s investigatory meeting with Director/Supervisor Aguilar
Aguilar’s stated purpose for her meeting with Moore was that she “wanted to get
[Moore’s] side of the story of what happened.” (Tr. 60.) When Aguilar finally turned to Moore to 5
proceed to her office for the anticipated meeting, Nurse Representative Adams was performing
her regular nurse duties changing out an IV bag or assisting a physician who was getting an
update on his infant patient’s condition including reviewing lab reports and x-rays—either
procedure expected to take no more than 5 to 10 minutes to complete. (Tr. 57–58, 84, 147–149,
163.) Nurse Representative Adams was only a few cribs away from Moore and Aguilar at this 10
time. (Tr. 57, 61, 147.)
Rather than: (1) waiting no more than 5–10 minutes for Nurse Representative Adams to
complete her duties and join the meeting; or (2) communicating in any way with Adams, only
two cribs away, her readiness to meet; (3) inquiring as to when Nurse Representative Adams 15
would be ready to meet; or (4) advising Moore that the Respondent would not proceed with the
interview unless Moore was willing to go without Nurse Representative Adams, Aguilar instead
decided on her own that Moore did not need a nurse representative and could get by with only a
nurse “witness” at the investigatory meeting.14 (Tr. 57–63, 85, 147, 163.) Aguilar also told
Moore that Moore had no right to insist on Adams being her nurse representative and that, 20
instead, anyone could act for her. (Tr. 163, 166.) Aguilar also admitted that she did not explain to
Moore her distinction between “witness” and “representative” but insisted that it was always
Aguilar’s preunion certification practice to permit “witnesses” in the type of meeting she was
walking to with Moore.15 (Tr. 59, 62–63.)
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In place of Nurse Representative Adams, Aguilar selected TCN Philip to act as a
“witness” as TCN Philip was standing next to Aguilar when she decided to conduct the meeting
without Nurse Representative Adams. (Tr. 162–163.) Both Aguilar and TCN Phillip then
proceeded to conduct an interrogation of Moore in Aguilar’s office.16 (Tr. 123, 163–164, 167–

14 Aguilar admits that she reverted to her preunion certification witness at meetings practice while
heading with Moore to her office. (Tr. 57–58, 81) (“… it just clicked to me….”).
15 Aguilar’s attempt to convince me that she asked Moore what function—witness or Nurse
Representative—she wanted Nurse Representative Adams to serve was not credible given her demeanor,
the fact that she was guessing as to Ms. Moore’s alleged “witness” response, the absence of this alleged
reference in her August 14 notes of her meeting with Moore, and Aguilar’s later testimony showing her
confusion as to the role of nurse representatives after the June union certification. (See Tr. 36, 81, 134,
136–137, 138–139, 144, 247; CP Exh. 1.) Moreover, TCN Philip, the August 14 charge nurse who
Aguilar selected to act as a “witness” in place of Nurse Representative Adams as Moore’s nurse
representative, credibly explained that she never heard of Aguilar’s alleged practice of allowing a nurse
“witness” at interrogation meetings. (Tr. 130.) Consequently, I reject Aguilar’s attempt to distinguish an
alleged and unsupported procedure of interrogation at Respondent’s human relations office with a nurse
representative from her continued practice of allowing silent RN witnesses to join in during her
investigations in August.
16 TCN Philip was assigned as a temporary or relief charge nurse on August 14 and assigned Moore to
work with the same patient involved in the incident the day before. (Tr. 115, 118, 159–160, 165–166.)
TCN Philip worked as a relief charge nurse an uncertain frequency varying from no work to twice a week
for the past 3 years. (Tr. 118.) Except for issuing written discipline and hiring or firing employees, as a
temporary or relief charge nurse, TCN Philip’s duties were the same as a permanent charge nurse with the
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168; CP Exh. 1.) When TCN Philip entered the office with Moore, Aguilar asked TCN Philip to
act as a “witness” and instructed her to listen, but not speak, during the conversation between her
and Moore. (Tr. 59, 123, 164.) Moore did not say anything in response. (Tr. 164.)
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Moore credibly explained that she did not respond and did not object to TCN Philip’s
presence at the meeting because she was upset with herself for having made the error and was
afraid about whether she would lose her job or whether there would be long-term effects on the
baby. (Tr. 165–167.) Aguilar then turned to Moore and repeatedly asked why she wanted
someone in the meeting in the first place when “the Union is not even here yet?”17 (Tr. 164.)10
When Moore was finally allowed to respond, she convincingly explained to Aguilar that she
understood from the Union that unit RNs had a right to call a nurse representative into a
disciplinary meeting if any of the unit RNs were being called in for such meeting that could lead
to discipline. (Tr. 165.) Aguilar repeated that Moore had no right to a nurse representative. (Tr.
167.) 15
Throughout the meeting, TCN Philip did as she was told and said nothing, took no notes,
and made no record of the meeting. (Tr. 125.) In fact, TCN Philip could not even say with
certainty that Moore had approved her presence at the meeting and could only add that Moore
“did not say ‘No’ to a ‘witness.”’ (Tr. 124.)20
The meeting lasted for 15–30 minutes. (Tr. 125, 167.) The only interruption occurred
when Aguilar’s telephone rang and went unanswered. (Tr. 168.) Moore was interrogated with a
series of questions coming from Aguilar so fast that Moore could not answer one before Aguilar
leveled another. (Tr. 167–168.)25
Sometime during Moore’s meeting with Aguilar, Nurse Representative Adams was
notified by a fellow nurse coming to the bedside of the baby she was caring for and informed her
that Aguilar and Moore had left for a meeting without Adams. (Tr. 147.) Adams went looking
for Moore. (Tr. 149.) Nurse Representative Adams tried to attend the meeting between Aguilar 30
and Moore and placed a call to Aguilar’s office which Aguilar did not pick up. (Tr. 153, 168.)
Later, after the meeting had concluded, Aguilar returned Nurse Representative Adams’ telephone
call and told her that her participation in the investigatory meeting with Moore was unnecessary
because the meeting was over.18 (Tr. 154–155.)

following supervisory duties: (1) takes reports from previous shift charge nurses; (2) assigns patients and
duties to RNs; (3) assigns her own patients; (4) reports dangerous patient incidents directly to Aguilar;
and (5) prepares performance evaluations for all RNs including other charge nurses for submittal to
Aguilar. (Tr. 86–88, 121-122; GC Exh. 12 at 4.)
17 Even during the second day of her testimony, Aguilar maintained her unsupported position that the
Union was not yet in the hospital despite the June certification. (Tr. 252–253.)
18 At hearing, Aguilar did not recall whether the phone rang during her meeting with Moore and TCN
Philip but Respondent, instead, argues that the call from Nurse Representative Adams did not take place.
(Tr. 251-252; R Br. at 5.) I find Nurse Representative Adams’ testimony particularly credible over
Aguilar’s testimony given the fact that Adams’ testimony is more consistent with trial testimony and she
testified against her own interests as at the time of trial she remained employed at Respondent and must
continue to face Director Aguilar as her immediate supervisor after trial. See S.E. Nichols, Inc., 284
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After awhile during the heated interrogation, Moore broke down and began to cry. (Tr.
169.) Aguilar explained to Moore the possible discipline she faced as a result of the incident
including discipline handed down from Respondent and/or the Board of Nursing. (Tr. 169–170.)5
After the meeting ended at approximately 9:30 a.m., Aguilar stayed at the hospital for at least
another 45 minutes and spent time drafting an email to the Unit RNs which she sent at 10:18 a.m.
(CP Exh. 2.) Respondent admits that Moore had reasonable cause to believe that her meeting
with Aguilar could result in discipline. GC Exh. 1(i).
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D. Aguilar’s Admitted Confusion with Union Representatives After the
June Certification
In late August, Aguilar approached Nurse Representative Barker in the employee lounge
with questions concerning the role of Nurse Representatives to assist Unit RNs at meetings with 15
management. (Tr. 136–137.) At that time, Aguilar opined that Nurse Representatives could not
talk or participate at such meetings just the same as Aguilar’s own practice had prohibited RN
“witnesses” from participating in past investigatory meetings before Union certification. (Tr.
136–138.) Aguilar further expressed to Nurse Representative Barker her belief that the Union’s
role through its nurse representatives in these meetings was being blown out of proportion and 20
that Aguilar admittedly wanted clarity as she did not fully understand what role nurse
representatives fulfilled after the new union certification. (Tr. 138–139; 251.)19 Barker explained
to Aguilar that, instead, nurse representatives’ roles are more than mere witnesses and they can
actually attend investigative meetings with Respondent’s management and the unit RN under
investigation, take notes, be cognizant that the unit RN’s rights are not being violated, and talk to 25
management and try to resolve issues on behalf of the unit RN. (Tr. 134, 136–137, 144.)
E. Ida Toth’s October 13 Investigatory Interview
Ida “Cathy” Toth (Toth) has been employed at Respondent as an RN for approximately 30
25 years working in the nursery since 1998. (Tr. 183.) Toth works the night shift and is also a
member of the Union as a unit RN and is supervised by Director Aguilar.
In early September, Aguilar claims she heard from two RNs in Respondent’s post-partum
department that a new mother in their department was complaining of an incident where Toth 35

NLRB 556 fn. 2 (1987) (Current respondent employee’s testimony more reliable because it is given
against his interest to remain employed by Respondent.).
19 Aguilar did not recall discussing nurse representatives’ roles with Barker as Barker explained. (Tr.
251.) After viewing the demeanor of both Aguilar and Nurse Representative Barker at trial, I find Barker
to be the more credible witness due to the ease and clarity of her recollection of the employee lounge
incident with Aguilar and Aguilar’s admission that she needed “clarity” from Barker on the roles of nurse
representatives as of late August since the Union’s certification “was so new.” (Tr. 251.) In addition, like
Adams, Barker testified against her own interests as at the time of trial she remained employed at
Respondent and must continue to face Director Aguilar as her immediate supervisor after trial. See S.E.
Nichols, Inc., 284 NLRB 556 fn. 2 (1987) (Current respondent employee’s testimony more reliable
because it is given against his interest to remain employed by respondent.).
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allegedly telephoned the new mother in her hospital room with her baby crying in the
background and stated: “Do you hear your baby crying? Your baby is crying because the post-
partum nurses won’t pick up your baby.” (Tr. 65–66.) Aguilar further explained that she
interviewed the nurses and the new mother about the alleged incident and took notes of these5
conversations as is her custom and practice. (Tr. 68, 94, 189.)
On September 15, Aguilar wanted to get Toth’s side of the story and conduct an
investigatory meeting so she sent Toth an email stating that she wanted Toth to set up an
appointment with her and that they needed to talk.20 (Tr. 67, 93, 185; GC Exh. 6 at 3.) On 10
September 20, Toth inquired further and responded to Aguilar by emailing: “what is it that you
need to talk with me about? I’ll wait to hear from you.” (GC Exh. 6 at 3.) On September 23,
Aguilar responded: “I need to review with you about a patient complaint the other night. Please
schedule an appointment with me. I don’t know your schedule, but let me know and I will come
in early or stay late. Please advise. Thank you.” (GC Exh. 6 at 2–3.) Toth delayed her response to 15
Aguilar and credibly explained that the anticipated meeting could potentially involve discipline
so she tried to arrange for a union representative to be present. (Tr. 186.)
On October 7, Toth writes: “[S]orry Arleen. Will this meeting that you would like to have
with me possibly lead to me being disciplined? If so, I would like to have a union rep. present. I 20
can meet with you on [F]riday, tomorrow, if you like, 7:30 to 8:00 a.m. sounds good to me. [L]et
me know.”21 (GC Exh. 6 at 2.) Despite admitting at trial that Toth would have been disciplined
depending on her actual response at the meeting to the alleged incident, later on October 7,
Aguilar replies: “No, it is not …. I just need to ask you some questions. When are you available
next week?” (Tr. 68, 93–94; GC Exh. 6 at 2.) From this reply, Toth reasonably believed at that 25
time that the meeting with Aguilar was not about Toth’s own work conduct but, instead,
involved some other person or incident that Aguilar needed Toth’s input. (Tr. 187.)
On October 13, after a few more email exchanges, Aguilar and Toth finally met in
Aguilar’s office for about 10–15 minutes without Toth having a nurse representative present.2230
Tr. 188, 191. Aguilar began the meeting by recounting the alleged incident involving the new
mother and her crying baby in the post-partum unit and a nurse allegedly calling the mother so
she could hear her baby’s cries because the post-partum nurses would not pick up the baby. (Tr.
188.)
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Toth convincingly explained that because Aguilar recounted the alleged incident in an
accusatory tone without identifying Toth as the nurse who made the alleged phone call to the
new mother, Toth responded to Aguilar’s recount of the alleged incident by telling Aguilar that

20 Toth appeared credible when she remarked that the email request from Aguilar to set up a meeting
was unusual as Aguilar typically called nurses if she wanted to speak with them. Toth became concerned
by the unusual email from Aguilar that something more serious might have happened. (Tr. 186.)
21 Apparently some time between Aguilar’s initial September 15 email request to Toth to set up a
meeting and Aguilar’s October 7 reply referred to below, Aguilar claims she lost all of her notes and
paperwork from the new mother and the two nurses she interviewed about the alleged incident involving
Toth. (Tr. 68, 94, 189.)
22 When asked why Aguilar did not offer Toth a witness for the meeting as she had done with the
Moore investigatory meeting as her custom and practice, Aguilar responded that Toth hadn’t asked for a
witness, she had asked for a representative and Aguilar still needed to get Toth’s side of the story. (Tr. 93.
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she was not the nurse who made the call. (Tr. 188–189, 191.) Aguilar responded by telling Toth
that the new mother had identified Toth by name and, after Toth further defended herself with a
second denial, Aguilar responded that “I [Aguilar] wouldn’t make this up.” (Tr. 189.) When
asked by Toth if she had any documented proof of her allegations, Aguilar claimed to have lost 5
all her paperwork and could not recall the name of the new mother or whether she met her in her
office or spoke to her over the phone. (Tr. 68, 189–190.) Aguilar admitted to Toth at their
meeting and again at trial that she would have imposed more severe consequences on Toth if she
had either not lost her interview notes and paperwork or if Toth admitted doing what was alleged
in the patient complaint. (Tr. 68, 93–94, 190-191.)10
At the conclusion of their meeting, Aguilar presented Toth with a pre-prepared
“Employee Coaching Report,” a form that Toth had not seen before, which memorialized the
incident, required both to sign, and recommended that Toth retake the customer service (AIDET)
training because Toth had not complied with AIDET practices and expectations required of 15
Respondent’s nurses. (Tr. 190; GC Exh. 11.) At the bottom of the October 13 coaching report,
Toth wrote “[a]s per Arleen Casarez-Aguilar, this is not a counseling. No paperwork available
concerning this alleged incident.” (GC Exh. 11.) Toth credibly explained that she wrote this
because she felt deceived by Aguilar’s earlier email statement that the meeting would not end in
discipline and she wanted anyone reading this coaching report to know that Aguilar had deceived 20
her. (Tr. 193.)
III. DISCUSSION AND ANALYSIS
A. Credibility25
The key aspects of my factual findings above with respect to various incidents and
meetings between Respondent’s director and supervisor, Aguilar and her staff RNs incorporate
the credibility determinations I have made after carefully considering the record in its entirety.
The testimony concerning the material events in 2010 contain sharp conflicts. Evidence 30
contradicting the findings, particularly testimony from Aguilar, has been considered but has not
been credited.
My credibility resolutions have been formed by my consideration of a witness’
opportunity to be familiar with the subjects covered by the testimony given; established or 35
admitted facts; the impact of bias on the witness’ testimony; the quality of the witness’
recollection; testimonial consistency; the presence or absence of corroboration; the strength of
rebuttal evidence, if any; the weight of the evidence; and witness demeanor while testifying.
More detailed discussions of specific credibility resolutions appear herein in those situations that
I perceived to be of particular significance.40
The facts concerning Aguilar’s admitted confusion about the Union’s Weingarten rights
after the June certification as recalled by Nurse Representative Barker and described by her were
most convincing as it consistently explains Aguilar’s unlawful behavior toward both Moore and
Toth. 45
Barker’s demeanor at trial was impressive. Nurse Representative Barker has worked
under Respondent’s director/supervisor, Aguilar for almost 4 years and was still supervised by
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her at the time of the hearing. Nurse Representative Barker’s chronology of events and detailed
recollection of Aguilar’s confusion and outright refusal to recognize and allow Weingarten rights
at her August 14 and October 13 investigatory interviews was quite credible especially when
verified by Nurse Representative Adams, Moore, and Toth.5
I found key elements of the testimony given by Respondent’s principal witnesses,
Aguilar and Meeks, that conflict with the testimony of unit witnesses unworthy of belief
especially given Aguilar’s obvious deception toward Toth and the misrepresented circumstances
resulting in their October 13 meeting. As referenced above, I further find that Aguilar incorrectly 10
believed that the Union did not have any rights to represent unit RNs in investigatory meetings
until a formal collectivebargaining agreement was firmly in place.
Also, I reject Aguilar’s unbelievable attempt to break her meetings into “witness”
meetings taking place in Aguilar’s office without Respondent’s HR representative where a nurse 15
representative was unnecessary and “representative” meetings which would take place “down to
HR” where a nurse representative would be allowed to attend on behalf of a unit RN. (See Tr.
56–57.) In addition, I further find Aguilar noncredible with her statements in the Toth incident
that she had lost all her paperwork and could not recall the name of the new mother or whether
she even met her in her office or spoke to her over the phone. In virtually all of the significant 20
instances, reliable documentary evidence failed to support accounts provided by Respondent’s
key witnesses.
Adams, Moore, and Toth were also credible witnesses as they were earnest, genuine, and
their testimonies were reasonable and consistent with the record. In addition, they appeared 25
serious and respectful of the hearing process. In contrast, Aguilar appeared scattered,
unorganized, and had less reliable recollection than the other witnesses. Also, TCN Phillip
testified reluctantly and was very soft spoken in her demeanor which gave me the impression
that she preferred saying a little as possible in fear of possibly upsetting Respondent’s
management if she said something that hurt their case. 30
B. General Weingarten rights.
In NLRB v. Weingarten, 420 U.S. 251 (1975), the Supreme
Court upheld the ‘‘Board’s construction that Section 7 creates a statutory right in an employee to 35
refuse to submit without union representation to an interview which the employee reasonably
fears may result in his discipline.’’23 The Court also upheld the contours and limits of the
statutory right shaped by the Board in prior decisions:
First, the right adheres in Section 7’s guarantee of the40
right of employees to act in concert for mutual aid and
protection. . . . Second, the right arises only in situations
where the employee requests representation. . . . Third, the employee’s right to request
representation as a condition of participation in an interview is limited to situations where

23 Even an employee’s request for the assistance of a representative from a newly elected but not yet
certified union must be honored by the employer under Weingarten. ITT Corp. Lighting Fixtures
Division, 261 NLRB 229 (1982), enf. granted in part and denied in part, 719 F.2d 851 (6th Cir. 1983).
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the employee reasonably believes the investigation will result in disciplinary action . . . .
[Emphasis added.] Fourth, exercise of the right may not interfere with legitimate
employer prerogatives. Fifth, the employer may carry on its inquiry without interviewing
the employee, thus leaving to the employee the choice between having an interview 5
unaccompanied by his or her representative, or having no interview and foregoing any
benefits that might be derived from one. Sixth, the employer has no duty to bargain with
any union representative who may be permitted to attend the investigatory interview.
Id. at 256–259.10
In Quality Mfg. Co., 195 NLRB 197, 199 (1972), cited with approval by the Supreme
Court in its Weingarten decision, the Board said:
This seems to us to be the proper rule where as here,15
the interview, whether or not purely investigative, concerns
a subject matter related to disciplinary offenses. We would not apply the rule to such run-
of-the-mill shop-floor conversation as, for example, the giving of instructions or training
or needed corrections of work techniques. In such cases there cannot normally be any
reasonable basis for an employee to fear that any adverse impact may result from the 20
interview, and thus we would then see no reasonable basis for him to seek the assistance
of his representative.
The Board and the courts, however, have had difficulty in determining under what circumstances
a reasonable basis exists for believing that the investigatory interview will result in disciplinary 25
action. AAA Equipment Service Co., 238 NLRB 390 (1978), enf. denied, 598 F.2d 1142 (8th Cir.
1979); Good Hope Refineries, Inc. v. NLRB, 620 F.2d 57 (5th Cir. 1979), cert. denied, 449 U.S.
1012 (1980).
Thus, even a conversation between a supervisor and an employee about improving the 30
employee’s production may trigger Weingarten rights if sufficiently linked to a real prospect of
discipline for poor production. Quazite Corp., 315 NLRB 1068 (1994).24 Moreover, Weingarten
rights are applicable even at a disciplinary interview if the employer engages in investigatory
conduct “beyond merely informing the employee of a previously made disciplinary decision.”
Baton Rouge Water Works Co., 246 NLRB 995, 997 (1979). Furthermore, the Board has held 35
that where an employer informs an employee of a disciplinary action and then questions the
employee to seek information to bolster that decision, the employee’s right to representation
applies. Becker Group, Inc., 329 NLRB 103, 107 (1999).
In Titanium Metals Corp., 340 NLRB 766 (2003), enf. in part, 392 F.3d 439 (D.C. Cir. 40
2004), 340 NLRB 766, the Board held that an employer unlawfully denied an employee’s
request for a union representative at a meeting, even though the expressed purpose of the

24 In contrast, see Southwestern Bell Telephone Co., 338 NLRB 552 (2002), where the Board found
that there was “no basis for concluding that [the employee] could have reasonably believed that the …
meeting would result in discipline” where there was no evidence to show that the employer disciplined
employees for low production performance and, even if the manager had referred the employee to the
EAP program, the EAP was a benefit provided for the employees and not a form of discipline.
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meeting was simply to inform the employee of a decision regarding discipline that the employer
had already made. The Board found that the employee had a right to a union representative’s
presence because the employer went beyond its stated purpose by interrogating and searching the
employee for newletters in an attempt to support its decision to discipline him. 5
Even if the employee at issue is an officer of the union, the employee is still entitled to
union representation if requested. In United States Postal Service, 345 NLRB No. 26 (2005), the
Board held that the employer violated Section 8(a)(1) when it refused to allow an employee, a
union steward, to apply his Weingarten rights prior to an investigatory interview. 10
The employee’s right to the assistance of a union representative arises only upon the
request of the employee; the employer has no duty to inform the employee of the right. NLRB v.
New Jersey Bell Telephone Co., 936 F.2d 144 (3d Cir. 1991). Once an employee makes a valid
request for union representation, the employer is permitted one of three options: (1) grant the 15
request; (2) dispense with or discontinue the interview; or (3) offer the employee the choice of
continuing the interview unaccompanied by a union representative, or of having no interview at
all, thereby foregoing any benefit that the interview might have conferred on the employee.
Roadway Express, Inc., 246 NLRB 1127 (1979). The employer, however, may not continue the
interview without granting the requested union representation unless the employee “voluntarily 20
agrees to remain unrepresented after having been presented by the employer with the choices”
just described, or “is otherwise made aware of these choices.” United States Postal Service, 241
NLRB 141, 142 (1979)(emphasis in original); see also Penn Dixie Steel Corp., 253 NLRB 91
(1980).
25
An employer violates Section 8(a)(1) of the Act by proceeding with an investigatory
interview without the union representative, after the employee has requested union
representation, even if a fellow employee monitors the interview as a witness. Williams Pipeline
Co., 315 NLRB 1 (1994)(where lone union steward was unavailable at time employer conducted
interview, presence of fellow employee did not satisfy employee’s right to be represented by 30
agent of exclusive representative of employees). Moreover, the employer cannot insist that the
union representative be merely an observer but must be afforded the opportunity to provide
“advice and active assistance” to a represented employee. Washoe Medical Center, Inc., 348
NLRB 361 (2006); Barnard College, 340 NLRB 934 (2003).
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Weingarten does not require an employer to postpone an interview because the specific
union representative the employee requests is absent, so long as another union representative is
available at the time set for the interview. However, where the employee’s chosen union
representative is available, the employer violates Section 8(a)(1) by insisting that another union
representative more to the employer’s liking represent the employee. Consolidated Coal Co., 307 40
NLRB 976 (1992).
Once a union is certified by the Board, a union enjoys a presumption of continuing
majority support, and the employer has a corresponding continuing obligation to recognize and
bargain with the union. Minn-Dak Farmers Cooperative, 311 NLRB 942, 949 (1993); Burger 45
Pits Inc., 273 NLRB 1001 (1984). Here, as explained below, Aguilar was ignoring recognition of
the Union by failing to provide Unit RNs Moore and Toth their Weingarten rights.
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C. Moore Was Unlawfully Denied Her Weingarten Rights.
Respondent has stipulated, and I find, that the investigatory interview that Moore was to
have with Aguilar on August 14 could have resulted in Moore being disciplined. Tr. 60, 161; GC 5
Exh. 1(i). I further find that Moore validly requested Adams to be her Nurse Representative and
expressed that desire to Respondent who was aware that Adams was a designated nurse
representative. (Tr. 49-52; GC Exh 3 at 2.) Moreover, an employee has only to ask once for her
union representative to invoke the right to representation. Ball Plastics Division, 257 NLRB 971,
976 (1981). Respondent did not cancel the investigatory interview but went forward with it.10
Respondent’s arbitrary timing of the proposed interview and its refusal to let Nurse
Representative Adams, who was present but briefly occupied, to represent Moore at the
investigatory interview was a violation of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act. See GHR Energy Corp.,
294 NLRB 840 (1989)(Violation of the Act found to deny an employee his choice of
representative, who was from the International union and present, and force the employee to 15
proceed with another representative).
In the instant case, it would not have been a violation of the Act if Respondent denied
Moore’s request for representation by Nurse Representative Adams if Adams was not present or
was materially unavailable, and to grant the request would force a postponement of the 20
investigatory interview. See Coca-Cola Bottling Co., 227 NLRB 1276 (1977). But in the instant
case as in GHR Energy supra, and Anheuser-Busch, Inc., 337 NLRB 3 (2001), enfd. 338 F.3d
267 (4th Cir. 2003), the requested representative (Adams) was present, and, but for a brief delay
of no more than 10 minutes, was ready to go forward. (Tr. 84, 148.) I do not believe that the fact
that Adams was performing her regular RN duties for a short period of time of no more than 10 25
minutes when Aguilar arbitrarily decided to conduct the investigatory meeting made Adams any
less “available” than had Aguilar attempted to secure Nurse Representative Barker’s presence
instead. Respondent presented no evidence that a short 5–10 minute delay in commencing the
investigatory meeting with Moore and Adams was somehow unreasonable especially given the
fact that Aguilar spent an additional 45 minutes in her office after the meeting with Moore and 30
TCN Philip.25 (CP Exh. 2.) Rather, here, the requested Nurse Representative Adams was present
and, but for no more than a 5 to 10 minute delay, was ready to go forward. Hence, Respondent
violated Section 8(a)(1) of the Act.
Although Moore had requested and informed Director/Supervisor Aguilar she wanted and 35
preferred the presence of Nurse Representative Adams at the investigatory interview on
August 14, the evidence of record fails to show that Aguilar ever advised Moore that the
Respondent would not proceed with the interview unless Moore was willing to go forward with
the interview unrepresented without Union Nurse Representative Adams, as Weingarten requires
an employer to do. Weingarten, supra. 40
At the hearing, Aguilar tried to give the impression that Moore was willing to substitute
TCN Phillip for Nurse Representative Adams as her nurse representative. However, the credited
evidence shows that Moore unwillingly elected to go forward with TCN Phillip as a witness

25 See also Anheiser-Busch, Inc., supra at 8, where it was determined that the interview could have
proceeded with only minimal delay (15 minute delay due to lunch break was immaterial) which was
insufficient to deny the employee the representative of his choice.
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because she did not feel she had the freedom to postpone the meeting without Nurse
Representative Adams. Moore’s feeling of being constrained to go forward with the interview
unrepresented by Adams is obviously, the very reason why Weingarten requires the employer to
advise the requesting employee that the employer will not proceed with the interview unless the 5
employee is willing to proceed unrepresented by the union. Since neither Aguilar nor TCN Philip
so advised Moore, it is reasonable and understandable why Moore felt constrained (conflicted) to
proceed without Nurse Representative Adams, who was briefly unavailable at the arbitrary time
set for the interview.
10
Additionally, an employee’s ‘‘right to representation’’ in an investigatory interview is an
employee’s right to a representative who is an agent of the labor organization—which is the
exclusive representative of the employees. Sears, Roebuck & Co., 274 NLRB 230 (1985); T.N.T.
Red Star Express, 299 NLRB 894, 898 fn. 12 (1990); NLRB v. J. Weingarten, supra. In the
instant case, it is without dispute that employee TCN Philip was not a nurse representative, 15
steward or an agent of the Union in August when she sat in on Moore’s investigatory interview
as a witness. Moore’s involuntary election for TCN Philip’s presence in the interview did not
transform TCN Philip into a union agent or nurse representative. Nor did TCN Philip’s presence
constitute a waiver by Moore of her right to union representation at the interview. See
Southwestern Bell Telephone Co., 227 NLRB 1223 (1977). Also in Super Valu Stores, 236 20
NLRB 1581, 1591 (1978), the administrative law judge with Board approval, described an
employer’s objections, in a Weingarten situation, when a union representative is not available by
stating:
In this circumstance, the employer had the choice of25
giving the employee time or a postponement to obtain
the representation or as the Supreme Court pointed out
in Weingarten . . . of advis[ing] the employee that it
will not proceed with the interview unless the employee is willing to enter the
interview unaccompanied by his representative.30
With respect to an employee going forward with the interview without the requested
union representation, the administrative law judge further stated:
The fact that [the employee] stayed, and answered the35
questions put to him, did not make his participation
voluntary or constitute a waiver of his right to union
representation. It should not be a requisite of union representation that the lone
employee further antagonize the employer and jeopardize his job by walking out
of the meeting or refusing to answer questions. [Id.]40
At the hearing here, Moore credibly and convincingly explained why she did not walk
out of the meeting because Nurse Representative Adams was briefly unavailable. The record
shows that Respondent did nothing to make her feel welcome to walk out or to request a
postponement of the interview until Nurse Representative Adams was available. Instead 45
Respondent suggested and acquiesced in TCN Philip being present at the interview, though
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through Aguilar’s unlawful confusion, she required TCN Philip to be present merely as a witness
without any power to document what was said or provide advice to Moore.26
Under such circumstances I do not find that because Moore felt constrained to go forward5
with the interview without Nurse Representative Adams, meant that she voluntarily went
forward, or that her going forward constituted a waiver of her right to union representation. See
Super Valu Stores, supra. Moreover, during the investigatory meeting, Moore was once again
denied her Weingarten rights when Aguilar unlawfully repeated that Moore had no right to a
Nurse Representative and refused to answer Nurse Representative Adams call to attend the 10
meeting while it was taking place in Aguilar’s office.
Consequently, based on the foregoing findings and cited legal authority, I conclude and
find that Moore validly requested Nurse Representative Adams be her representative at the
upcoming investigatory meeting with Aguilar and Aguilar went forward with the investigatory 15
interview without the presence of Nurse Representative Adams, without affording Moore the
brief time necessary to have Nurse Representative Adams attend the meeting, and without
Respondent having advised her that the Respondent would not proceed with the interview unless
Moore was willing to go forward unrepresented by the Union. I further find that such conduct by
the Respondent constituted an interference with, a restraint on, and coercion against the exercise 20
of employee’s Section 7 rights, in violation of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act.
D. Toth Was Also Unlawfully Denied Her Weingarten Rights
The record evidence is uncontroverted that in response to Toth’s October 7 email 25
question about potential discipline arising from the anticipated investigatory interview, Aguilar
either remained confused and ignored that Toth even had Weingarten rights, just the same as she
had done with Moore in August, or Aguilar plainly lied to Toth by responding: “No, it is no’ … I
just need to ask you some questions.” (GC Exh. 6 at 2.)
30
At trial, Aguilar admitted that she, in fact, was prepared to hand out more severe
discipline to Toth depending on Toth’s telling her side of the story at the scheduled October 13
investigatory interview. (Tr. 67.) Thus, Toth had ample reason to believe she could or would be
subjected to disciplinary action because of Aguilar’s admission and the unusual means Aguilar
chose to communicate with Toth. Any contrary finding would violate public policy by allowing a 35
supervisor’s deception to defeat a union employee’s Weingarten rights. Moreover, because the
employer first determines whether to permit union representation, it must bear the risk for falsely
characterizing the nature of the interview. Consequently, I find that Respondent violated Section
8(a)(1) of the Act by the actions of its supervisor, Aguilar, in denying employee Toth her union

26 See Williams Pipeline Co., 315 NLRB 1 (1994) (Lone union steward was unavailable at time
employer conducted interview, presence of fellow employee did not satisfy employee’s right to be
represented by agent of exclusive representative of employees); see also Washoe Medical Center, Inc.,
348 NLRB 361 (2006) (Employer cannot insist that the union representative be merely an observer but
must be afforded the opportunity to provide “advice and active assistance” to a represented employee);
Barnard College, 340 NLRB 934 (2003) (Same).
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representation upon her request before Aguilar sought information from Toth at the investigatory
meeting.
In his brief the Respondent contends that the “conversation” between Aguilar and Toth5
was not an interview as Aguilar sought no information from the employee, but rather involved
Aguilar simply communicating to Toth her need for additional customer service training.
However, Aguilar’s own admission indicates that she was seeking information and inquiring of
Toth about whether she would admit to Aguilar’s undocumented version of facts concerning the
patient complaint. Linked as this was with the threat of further discipline if Toth admitted to 10
calling the new mother by phone for her to hear her crying baby, I find that this was an
investigatory interview to learn Toth’s own version of facts surrounding the patient complaint
and I further find that Toth had a reasonable basis for believing that this meeting could lead to
discipline. See Quazite Corp., 315 NLRB 1068, 1069-1070 (1994) (Even conversation between a
supervisor and an employee about improving the employee’s production may trigger Weingarten15
rights if sufficiently linked to a real prospect of discipline for poor production).
Moreover, contrary to Respondent’s argument, I further find that Carrillo’s admission
that Respondent used its Coaching Reports (recorded in its employees’ files and maintained by
Aguilar) to discipline employees who accumulated an unstated number of such reports proves 20
that the Coaching Report directed at Toth could be used against Toth as a form of discipline, and
was not merely an educational or training tool.27 As such, this combined with Aguilar’s
admission that Toth was exposed to more severe discipline depending on what Aguilar elicited
from Toth during the course of her obtaining Toth’s side of the story, I further find that the
October 13 meeting between Toth and Aguilar was a disciplinary interview triggering Toth’s 25
Weingarten rights.
Because: (1) these Coaching Reports were not simply used as an educational or training
benefit but, instead, were a form of discipline dutifully maintained and recorded in Respondent’s
employees’ records for future use, if necessary, in Aguilar’s shadow files; and (2) Aguilar lied to 30
Toth about the nature of their investigatory meeting - this case is factually distinguishable from
the facts in Baton Rouge Water Works, Success Village Apartments and other cases cited by
Respondent.
In sum, I find that because Respondent admittedly engaged in conduct beyond merely 35
informing Toth of a previously made disciplinary decision, the Coaching Report, the full panoply
of protections accorded Toth under Weingarten is applicable. Thus, I find that because
Respondent informed Toth of the disciplinary Coaching Report action and then sought facts or
evidence in support of that action, and attempted to have Toth admit her alleged wrongdoing,
Toth’s right to union representation attached. See Baton Rouge Water Works, supra at 997; 40

27 While normally there is not a reasonable basis to believe that a coaching would lead to an adverse
impact (Weingarten, supra at 247–258), here Carrillo admitted that Respondent’s Coaching Reports were
recorded in its employees’ files maintained by their supervisor, Aguilar, and that these reports could be
used against an employee in a disciplinary action. (Tr. 227–229, 238–239.) Contrary to Respondent’s
argument, Toth credibly responded that she did not know at the October 13 interview whether any
negative consequences could flow from the Coaching Report though she believed it was a disciplinary
form. (Tr. 196–197.)
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Manor Care of Easton, 356 NLRB No. 39 (2010). The interrogation took place in a supervisor’s
office. Also, based on Becker Group, Inc. supra, I find Respondent violated Section 8(a)(1) when
Aguilar went beyond informing Toth of the disciplinary Coaching Report and elicited Toth’s
side of the story to determine whether to impose more severe discipline concerning the patient 5
complaint in the absence of a union representative.
E. TCN Philip Was Not a Supervisor When She Met with Moore and Aguilar
The Acting General Counsel urges that remedial relief here be expanded in its favor due
to the egregious nature of replacing Nurse Representative Adams with alleged supervisor TCN
Philip at the meeting between Moore and Aguilar. 10
Under Board and Supreme Court precedent, in order to be a statutory supervisor, an
individual must have the authority to effectuate or effectively recommend at least one of the
supervisory indicia enumerated in Section 2(11) of the Act, using independent judgment in the
interest of the employer. Oakwood Healthcare, Inc., 348 NLRB 686, 687 (2006) (citing NLRB v.
Kentucky River Community Care, 532 U.S. 706 (2001)). It is well established that the party 15
asserting supervisory status bears the burden of proof on the issue, Oakwood Healthcare, Inc. at
686. The burden must be carried as to each particular individual who is alleged to be a
supervisor.
Section 2(11) of the Act provides that a supervisor is one who possesses, “authority, in
the interest of the employer, to hire, transfer, suspend, layoff, recall, promote, discharge, assign, 20
reward, or discipline other employees, or responsibly direct them, or to adjust their grievances, or
effectively to recommend such action, if in connection with the foregoing the exercise of such
authority is not of a merely routine or clerical nature, but requires the use of independent
judgment.” The Board noted in Oakwood Healthcare Inc., supra citing Chevron Shipping Co.,
317 NLRB 399, 381 (1995), that as a general principle, it has exercised caution not to construe25
supervisory status too broadly because the employee deemed a supervisor is denied rights the
Act is intended to protect.
In addition, for an employee to be deemed a supervisor, they must spend a “regular” and
“substantial” amount of time performing supervisory functions. Oakwood Healthcare, Inc. supra
at 694. For the reasons that follow, I find that while TCN Philip used independent judgment in 30
exercising her supervisory functions in evaluating RNs’ work performances and managing and
directing their work, there is inadequate evidence showing that TCN Philip spent a “regular” and
“substantial” amount of time performing supervisory functions.
Here, TCN Philip testified that she assigns work to RNs and evaluates their performance
which evaluations are not merely routine or clerical in nature and may be used in combination 35
with other charge nurse or supervisor evaluations to promote or reward other employees. (Tr. 86-
88, 121–122; GC Exh. 12 at 4.) As a result, I find that because TCN Philip prepares evaluations
of RNs’ work performances, she must use her own independent judgment to prepare an
evaluation which contributes to promote or reward an employee who excels.
As to the analysis of whether TCN Philip spends a “regular” and “substantial” portion of 40
her work time performing the supervisory functions of a charge nurse, “[t]he Board has not
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adopted a strict numerical definition of substantiality and has found supervisory status where the
individuals have served in a supervisory role for at least 10–15 percent of their total work time.”
Oakwood Healthcare, Inc. supra at 694. In this case, the only evidence put forth regarding how
often TCN Philip spends as a relief charge nurse was her response when asked as follows:5
Depending on the need of the [U]nit, it’s not a regular pattern. Like depending on
the need of the unit. Anywhere from one to two per week. I can’t say it’s one to
two. Sometimes I have done none that week, and sometimes two and sometimes
one [shift].
Tr. 118.10
I find this evidence is inadequate to support a factual finding that TCN Philip served in a
supervisory role for at least 10–15 percent of her total time at work. Therefore, I find that there is
insufficient evidence to support a finding that TCN Philip spent a “regular” and “substantial”
portion of her time performing supervisory functions. Thus, there is inadequate evidence to
prove that TCN Philip was a supervisor when she met on August 14 with Moore and Aguilar.15
F. The Employer Unlawfully Violated Section 8(a)(1) When Aguilar Threatened and
Interrogated Other Union Employees Concerning Their Weingarten Rights and by
Informing them that Exercising Their Right to Union Representation Would be Futile.
It is alleged in paragraphs 5(a) and (b) of the complaint that on or about August 14,
Aguilar “interrogated employees concerning their request for Union representation for an 20
investigatory meeting” and “threatened employees by informing them that exercising employee
rights to Union representation for investigatory interviews would be futile.” (GC Exh. 1(g) at 3.)
From counsel for the Acting General Counsel’s posthearing brief, it is apparent that these
allegations are intended to relate to conversations on August 14 between Aguilar and Moore as
to the alleged interrogation and later in August between Aguilar and Nurse Representative 25
Barker as to the alleged threats. (See Tr. 134-139, 144, 164–165, 167–170, and 251–253.)
1. Aguilar interrogated employees concerning their request for Union
representation for an investigatory meeting.
Traditionally, the Board looks to the “totality of the circumstances” in determining
whether a supervisor’s questions to an employee about his protected activity were an unlawful 30
interrogation under the Act. Rossmore House, 269 NLRB 1176 (1984), affd. sub nom. In
Medcare Associates, Inc., 330 NLRB 935 (2000), the Board listed a number of factors
considered in determining whether alleged interrogations under Rossmore House were coercive.
These are referred to as “Bourne factors,” so named because they were first set forth Bourne v.
NLRB, 332 F.2d 47, 48 (2d Cir. 1964). These factors include the background of the parties’ 35
relationship, the nature of the information sought, the identity of the questioner, the place and
method of interrogation, and the truthfulness of the reply. Under this test, either the words
themselves, or the context within which they are used, must suggest an element of interference or
coercion. Stabilus, Inc., 355 NLRB No. 161, slip op. at 15 (2010).
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Applying these factors, I find that there is no history of employer hostility toward or
discrimination against union activity though the evidence shows that Respondent’s expressed
position was that the Union was “not in” despite the certification of the Union on June 7. (See
Tr. 164.) Aguilar questioned Moore in a Weingarten meeting like an interrogator with quick 5
followup questions about Moore’s request for representation even after Aguilar had already
unlawfully denied Moore a nurse representative, she continued with her specific inquiry “why do
you want someone here with you[?][T]he Union is not even here yet.” (Tr. 164.) I further find
that this type of questioning no doubt had a chilling effect on Moore’s ability to answer Aguilar’s
questions. Regarding the interrogator’s identity, Aguilar was a statutory supervisor. She10
possessed authority to evaluate employees and to determine who would be disciplined.
Furthermore, August 14 investigatory meeting with Moore took place in Aguilar’s office behind
closed doors. Under these circumstances, I find that the Respondent violated Section 8(a)(1) of
the Act by coercively interrogating Moore about her desire for union representation.
2. Aguilar threatened employees by informing them that exercising 15
employee rights to Union representation for investigatory
interviews would be futile.
An employer may not tell employees that it would be futile for them to seek Weingarten
rights after union certification. Examples of unlawful statements of futility include advising
employees that the employer will never permit its workplace to be unionized (see Goya Foods, 20
347 NLRB 1118, 1128–1129 (2006), enfd. 525 F.3d 1117 (11th Cir. 2008); Wellstream Corp.,
313 NLRB 698, 706 (1994)), and advising employees that the employer will not negotiate with a
union (Altercare of Wadsworth Center for Rehabilitation and Nursing Care, Inc., 355 NLRB No.
96, slip op. at 9–10 (2010); Goya Foods, 347 NLRB at 1132).
In late August, Aguilar approached Nurse Representative Barker in the employee lounge 25
with questions concerning the role of nurse representatives to assist Unit RNs at meetings with
management or, in sum, allowing the exercise of their Weingarten rights. (Tr. 136–137.) At that
time, Aguilar opined that nurse representatives could not talk or participate at such meetings just
the same as Aguilar’s own practice had prohibited RN “witnesses” from participating in past
investigatory meetings before Union certification. (Tr. 136-138.)30
Aguilar further expressed to Nurse Representative Barker her belief that the Union’s role
through its nurse representatives in these meetings was being blown out of proportion and that
Aguilar admittedly wanted clarity as she did not fully understand what role nurse representatives
fulfilled after the new union certification. (Tr. 138–139; 251.) Specifically, Aguilar said: “Well 35
they [Nurse Representatives] can’t do anything – you guys can’t do anything when you’re in
there [attending an investigatory meeting] anyways, you guys aren’t supposed to participate in
the meeting.” (Tr. 137.) Thus, Aguilar effectively told Nurse Representative Barker that Barker
could not participate in an investigatory meeting because the parties had no contract [i.e. “the
Union is not even here yet.” Tr. 164], and the Respondent did not recognize the Nurse 40
Representatives as shop stewards. Thus Aguilar unlawfully threatened employees in violation of
Section 8(a)(1) of the Act by suggesting to Barker that efforts to seek union representation would
be futile. See Dish Network Service Corp., 339 NLRB 1126, 1128 (2003) (Board held that
employer statements casting doubt on the right of shop stewards to participate in investigatory
meetings “communicated to employees the futility of trying to deal with the respondent through 45
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their own designated representatives.”); see also Morse Operations, Inc., 336 NLRB 1090, 1099
(2001) (Same.)
CONCLUSIONS OF LAW5
1. Respondent, El Paso Healthcare System, LTD, b/b/a Las Palmas Medical Center, El Paso,
Texas, is an employer engaged in commerce within the meaning of Section 2(2), (6), and (7) of
the Act.
2. The Union is a labor organization within the meaning of Section 2(5) of the Act.
3. Respondent engaged in conduct in violation of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act. 10
(a) Interrogating Karin Moore at the August 14, 2010 interview.
(b) By denying Karin Moore’s request for union representation at the August 14, 2010 interview.
(c) By threatening Nurse Representative Anna Barker that by exercising unit RNs’ right to union
representation would be futile.
(d) By denying Ida (Cindy) Toth’s request for union representation at the October 13, 2010 15
interview.
4. Respondent’s unfair labor practices affect commerce within the meaning of Section 2(6) and
(7) of the Act.
5. The above violations are unfair labor practices within the meaning of the Act.
6. The Respondent has not otherwise violated the Act.20
REMEDY
Having found that the Respondent has engaged in certain unfair labor practices, I find
that it must be ordered to cease and desist from engaging in such conduct in the future and to
take certain affirmative action designed to effectuate the policies of the Act. To remedy the 25
Respondent’s violations of Section 8(a)(1) of the Act, I shall recommend that the Respondent
post and abide by the attached notice to employees.
The General Counsel requests a broad remedial order in this case. The Board in Hickmott
Foods, 242 NLRB 1357 (1979), held that a broad cease-and-desist order requiring a Respondent 30
to cease and desist from “in any other manner” restraining or coercing employees in the exercise
of their Section 7 rights rather than the narrow “in this or any like manner” language should be
reserved for situations where a Respondent is shown to have a proclivity to violate to Act
or has engaged in such egregious or widespread misconduct as to demonstrate a general
disregard for the employees’ fundamental statutory rights.35
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Aguilar’s conduct here and in the Toth incident shows a blatant disregard or
understanding of its unit RNs’ Weingarten rights. This combined with Aguilar’s deception in the
Toth incident is adequate for me to grant the application for a broad remedial order.
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On these findings of fact and conclusions of law and on the entire record, I issue the
following recommended.28
ORDER
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The Respondent, El Paso Healthcare System, LTD, d/b/a Las Palmas Medical Center, El
Paso, Texas, its officers, agents, successors, and assigns, shall:
1. Cease and desist from
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(a) Maintaining and enforcing an overly broad no-solicitation/no-distribution work rule.
(b) Failing to honor employees’ requests for union representation.
(c) Warning, interrogating, suspending, or discharging employees for engaging in activity 20
protected by Section 7 of the Act.
(d) Unlawfully in any like or related manner interfering with, restraining, or coercing employees
in the exercise of their rights guaranteed to them by Section 7 of the National Labor Relations
Act.25
2. Take the following affirmative action necessary to effectuate the policies of the Act.
(a) Within 14 days from the date of this order, post at its El Paso, Texas facilities, copies of the
attached notice marked “Appendix.”29 Copies of the notice, on forms provided by the Regional
Director for Region 28, after being signed by the Respondent’s authorized representative, shall 30
be posted by the Respondent and maintained for 60 consecutive days in conspicuous places
including all places where notices to employees are customarily posted. Reasonable steps shall
be taken by the Respondent to ensure that the notices are not altered, defaced, or covered by any
other material. In addition to physical posting of paper notices, notices shall be distributed
electronically, such as by email, posting on an intranet or an internet site, and/or other electronic 35
means, if the Respondent customarily communicates with its employees by such means. In the
event that, during the pendency of these proceedings, the Respondent has gone out of business or
closed the facility involved in these proceedings, the Respondent shall duplicate and mail, at its

28 If no exceptions are filed as provided by Sec. 102.46 of the Board’s Rules and Regulations, the
findings, conclusions, and recommended Order shall, as provided in Sec. 102.48 of the Rules, be adopted
by the Board and all objections to them shall be deemed waived for all purposes.
29 If this Order is enforced by a judgment of a United States court of appeals, the words in the notice
reading “Posted by Order of the National Labor Relations Board” shall read “Posted Pursuant to a
Judgment of the United States Court of Appeals Enforcing an Order of the National Labor Relations
Board.”
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own expense, a copy of the notice to all current employees and former employees employed by
the Respondent at any time since August 2010.
(b) Within 21 days after service by the Region, file with the Regional Director a sworn
certification of a responsible official on a form provided by the Region attesting to the steps that 5
the Respondent has taken to comply.
(c) Within 14 days of the date of this order, the Respondent will hold a meeting or meetings,
scheduled to ensure the widest possible attendance, at which the attached notice will be publicly
read by Respondent’s labor relations manager, Leonard Ochart, in the presence of a Board agent, 10
or at Respondent’s option, by a Board agent in the presence of Respondent’s labor relations
manager, Leonard Ochart. This remedy is appropriate here because the Respondent’s violations
of the Act are sufficiently serious and involve deception and fraud that reading of the notice will
be necessary to enable employees to exercise their Section 7 rights free of coercion. See Homer
D. Bronson Co., 349 NLRB 512, 515–516 (2007), enfd. mem. 273 Fed.Appx. 32 (2d Cir. 2008).15
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the complaint is dismissed insofar as it alleges violations of
the Act not specifically found.
Dated, Washington, D.C., September 29, 201120
APPENDIX
NOTICE TO EMPLOYEES
Posted by Order of the
National Labor Relations Board
An Agency of the United States Government
The National Labor Relations Board has found that we violated Federal labor law and has
ordered us to post and obey this notice.
FEDERAL LAW GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO:
Form, join, or assist a union
Choose representatives to bargain with us on your behalf
Act together with other employees for your benefit and protection
Choose not to engage in any of these protected activities
WE WILL NOT do anything that interferes with these rights. More specifically:
WE WILL NOT interrogate you about your request to have a representative of the NATIONAL
NURSES ORGAINIZING COMMITTEE-TEXAS/NNU (the Union) present during
investigatory interviews.
WE WILL NOT threaten you by telling you that exercising your rights to have union
representation for an investigatory meeting will be futile.
WE WILL NOT deny your request for union representation during investigatory meetings.
WE WILL NOT in any similar way frustrate your exercise of any of the rights stated above.
EL PASO HEALTHCARE SYSTEM, LTD. d/b/a
LAS PALMAS MEDICAL CENTER.
(Employer)
Dated By
(Representative) (Title)
The National Labor Relations Board is an independent Federal agency created in 1935 to enforce the National Labor Relations
Act. It conducts secret-ballot elections to determine whether employees want Charging Party representation and it investigates
and remedies unfair labor practices by employers and Charging Parties. To find out more about your rights under the Act and
how to file a charge or election petition, you may speak confidentially to any agent with the Board’s Regional Office set forth
below. You may also obtain information from the Board’s website: www.nlrb.gov.
421 Gold Avenue SW, Suite 310
Albuquerque, NM 87103-0567
Hours: 8:15 a.m. to 4:45 p.m.
505-248-5132.
THIS IS AN OFFICIAL NOTICE AND MUST NOT BE DEFACED BY ANYONE
THIS NOTICE MUST REMAIN POSTED FOR 60 CONSECUTIVE DAYS FROM THE DATE OF POSTING AND MUST NOT
BE ALTERED, DEFACED, OR COVERED BY ANY OTHER MATERIAL. ANY QUESTIONS CONCERNING THIS NOTICE
OR COMPLIANCE WITH ITS PROVISIONS MAY BE DIRECTED TO THE ABOVE REGIONAL OFFICE’S COMPLIANCE
OFFICER, 505-248-5132.